] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, JANUARY 1, 1997 *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] *** HAPPY AND OZZY NEW YEAR TO ALL! :) :) :) *** ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 06:08:15 -0500 From: DIXNAM@aol.com Subject: Ozzy Digest 12-30-96 Aaron: I think that's the 1st verse of our national anthem, isn't it? And doesn't line 4 begin "At", not "And the twilight's last gleaming"? Ken S.: Thanks, one more time! David & Scott: I like both of the Bill Stillman edited '96 Bugles very much. But I'm a little bothered by the amount of space given to Shirley Temple, and her association with Oz. I'm a fan of hers, but find her Oz connection rather weak. Happy '97, everyone! Dick ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:31:13 -0500 From: DavidXOE@aol.com Subject: Ozzy Digest, 12-30-96 Eric: I already know what you look like. :-) But I'll check out the changes in your Web site anyhow. Certainly anything on the CD-ROM dealing with Oz history, geography, etc. should be clearly labeled as the speculation/analysis of the (identified) author of the article, and not as Received Wisdom. But with that proviso, I don't see anything wrong with including new material if whoever is putting the thing together wants to put it in. I'm one of the ones (possibly the only one) who thought he'd seen a review of QUEEN ANN in the BUGLE, but I guess I was wrong. I know I have a memory of seeing reviews of QUEEN ANN and PATCHWORK BRIDE, one after the other, and if it wasn't in the BUGLE I wonder where it was? Glad the snow didn't do anything worse to you than snow you in. I hope you're not where you're likely to be flooded, either; I hear that's the next big threat in the Northwest. Ken S.: It's interesting that your chronology on PG indicates that it's a day's journey from the EC to Jack Pumpkinhead's, yet they also make it back from the Tin Woodman's castle in a day - even though we know, from both EMERALD CITY and ROAD, that Jack lives between the TW and EC. (Most of the other books put Jack much less than a day's walk from the EC.) Aaron: That's the first verse of the SSB that you quoted. I used to know more of it, but at the moment the only lines I can bring up are "Oh, thus be it e'er/When free men shall stand/Between their loved homes and the war's desolation," which are the opening lines of, I believe, the third verse; and "Blessed with vict'ry and peace/ May the Heav'n-rescued land", and I can't place where those lines come from at all. Don't know why they stuck in my mind. It's not that I remember ever singing those verses, but when I was in grade school we had song assemblies where they'd pass out songbooks to all of us and some teacher would play the piano and we'd all sing as best we could. In between, for lack of anything else to read, I'd read the lyrics to songs and verses we weren't singing. Some things stuck better than others; I can still remember all the verses of "Waltzing Matilda," for instance. And one bit that also stuck with me was the opening of the one-time Canadian national anthem, "The Maple Leaf Forever". It starts out, "In days of yore, from Britain's shore/ Wolfe the dauntless hero came." Somehow I suspect that the French-Canadians were instrumental in getting that one replaced with "O Canada" (though I've read that the French words to the latter are completely different in meaning from the English ones). When Baum says in SCARECROW that "ever since then [losing his leg] he had been Trot's mother's 'star boarder'" it doesn't really sound as if Trot's mother was dead, but it doesn't absolutely rule it out, I guess. "Ojo" means "grief"? In what language? I'd have thought Hebrew from the context, but Hebrew doesn't have a sound like the English "j", and it isn't written in Roman characters, so there's neither a sound-alike nor a look-alike version. (It means "eye" in Spanish, FWIW, as a look-alike version.) I pretty much agree with your review of INVISIBLE INZI. Nice Shanower illos, though. David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:07:03 -0800 From: ozbot@ix.netcom.com (ozbot) Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 12-30-96 Hey, I still haven't recieved my Autumn Bugle yet. All this talk about it is making me as anxious as a mushy Pumpkinhead watching a ripening pumpkin patch. . . For Ken-- Do you think you could start "PATCHWORK GIRL" earlier when Dr Pipt started the batch of Life Powder? It would make a visual reminder of how long the Crooked Magician was actually stirring those pots! For Eric-- How about the picture of Ozma leaning her head on her arms? It would make a great interlaced image, so it wouldn't need to take a long time to download, either As for "mailto" images, any of those pictures around Baum's "To my readers" prologues or even those around the copyright symbols? Aaron-- Is that the first verse or the second verse of SSBanner? And, about the high notes, I heard that the SSB is one of the most difficult songs that we Americans sing on a regular basis. The other was "Happy Birthday to You." Something about a wierd arrangements of notes, making you jump a whole octave at times. Ozzy gifts-- I too got many Oz books for Christmas (handing out highlighted catalogues to my family was a big help :) ) I starting reading Enchanted Island Of Yew, and was surprised at Baum's anti-femine stance, where the young ladies at a picnic persuade a female fairy to turn into a mortal man instead of a woman! Granted, the story takes place obviously "once upon a time" but still, I would feel obligated to constantly explain that to a little child if I were reading it to her! I'll wait and see how the rest of the book turns out. . . Danny ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 14:17:07 -0500 From: Michael Turniansky Subject: Ozzy webpages (please include) As I finally have a much more stable WWW access, I was finally able to take a look at some of your Web pages, in particular, Dave Hardenbrooks, Gili's, Eric's, Tyler's, and Ken Cope's. Thank you all for your beuatiful efforts (oh, BTW, Gilli, you say to "mail you" (with a really nifty Java applet that is probably standard, but I've not seen before), but there is no link to your e-mail. Have your friend put one in, please. Congrats, also, on your being assigned the translation of Disney's version of /James and the Giant Peach/ (I liked the original, myself, but haven't seen Disney's yet).) Dave, great pictures of EC and Mt. Munch. Ditto, Ken C.'s map of Oz. Marvelous FAQ, Eric. --Mike "Shaggy Man" Turniansky BTW, I thought "Davy Jones" was Tyler's great^14th grand-uncle? ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 22:58:20 -0500 From: OzBucket@aol.com Subject: Oz trivia question I feel so dumb, but can't recall who someone is. Boglodore, the Old Man of the Forest/Jungle or something. Who is he? Good/Evil? Where last sighted? Which books is he in? I know he's somebody terribly important... ====================================================================== ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, JANUARY 2, 1997 (Part 1 of 2) *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] [NOTE: Today's Digest is divided into two parts because it was large enough to choke my flakey, _El cheapo_, "Free gift" version of Eudora -- Dave] ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 04:58:37 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Olderman Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-01-96 ***SPOILER FOR CAPTAIN SALT IN OZ*** Boglodore is the Old Man of the Jungle in _Captain Salt_. He was the hit man for the nine scheming Ozamandarins and is the one who carried Tandy off to the jungle (on his flying umbrellaphant, no less). He says he never meant to hurt Tandy and that he used his magic to give Nikobo the power of speech and set her to guard Tandy. He dumps the evil Ozamandarins over a cliff. He is, essentially, a plot device and is a mixed bag of both good and evil. ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 12:26:16 -0500 From: DavidXOE@aol.com Subject: Ozzy Digest, 12-31-96 & 01-01-97 How can it be 1997 already? (I note that it isn't in the "subject" line of the 1/1 Digest. :-)) Happy New Year, everyone! 12/31: Bob: Books of Wonder has reprinted SKY ISLAND; you could either order it from them or find it at your local Borders, assuming you have a local Borders and don't refuse to patronize it because of their labor policies. Many good SF-fantasy specialty bookstores also carry the BoW books. This group only represents a small fraction of the people who are fascinated by Oz. You should join the IWOC and come to one or more of the Oz conventions. (Not knowing your location I can't say which one, although if the "pacbell" in your address means you work for Pacific Bell, Winkies would be the appropriate one.) Bear: I'm not sure what my point about evil was, either, now that I think back on it. I know I had an idea at the time, but I forget what it was. It does seem odd that even though our "out-of-control legal system" has a far greater proportion of our population behind bars than in any other industrialized country in the world, we have the highest crime rate as well. One suspects Ozma might be right that putting people in prison isn't the best approach to preventing crime. Robin: A confusing number of Robins in the Oz world; I'm sure Aaron was referring to Robin Hess's using Button-Bright's family in CHRISTMAS IN OZ. I knew you were one of the judges in the IWOC contest, but judges can always recuse themselves from a case where they have a personal interest. Or you could have changed your mind about being a judge after all. I didn't expect so, but had to copper my bets there. Sunny: Sorry to hear you were in hospital - hope all is well with you now! Dave: I see nothing wrong with including non-canonical information on the CD-ROM, as long as its origin is clearly stated. But it would be a lower priority than getting all the canonical information there. There's a reference to the Oz National Anthem at the beginning of the parade of celebrities in WISHING HORSE. There may be others, but I couldn't find one in a quick scan of probable places. 1/1: Dick: I thought the BUGLE articles on Shirley Temple made enough of an Oz connection that they were appropriate. It's not as if they were comprehensive bios; everything in them was tied in to Oz in one way or another. Danny: I think that what the girls told the fairy at the beginning of YEW - that in their (obviously medieval) world, upper-class girls had little scope for adventure - is undeniably true. Some of the words they used were most likely intended to be tongue in cheek; it's clear from his other books that Baum had the greatest respect for the abilities of females. Chris: As many others will probably tell you, Boglodore is the Old Man of the Jungle, the owner of the Umbrellaphant, who kidnapped Tandy and later dropped the Ozamandarins in the sea in CAPTAIN SALT. (One thing I've never understood - several times in the Oz books characters are dropped into the water and the implication is that they'll stay there unless/until someone fishes them out. I've never understood why, if they don't drown, they can't just walk out. Other examples I can think of are Professor Woggle-bug in one of the books - don't remember which; it was a minor incident - and the people of Menankypoo in PIRATES. I suppose it could be argued that although they don't die, in the absence of oxygen their muscles won't work.) David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 12:11:37 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Gjovaag Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-01-96 > From: DIXNAM@aol.com > Subject: Ozzy Digest 12-30-96 > > But I'm a little bothered by the amount of space given to Shirley Temple, > and her association with Oz. I'm a fan of hers, but find her Oz connection > rather weak. Well, then, two articles in ~120 issues of the "Bugle" is probably enough . > From: DavidXOE@aol.com > Subject: Ozzy Digest, 12-30-96 > > Eric: > I already know what you look like. :-) Good, then you can tell everyone if I chose a good picture or not. (It is a few years old now.) Of course, YOU haven't seen me for a year and a half now... > I'm one of the ones (possibly the only one) who thought he'd seen a review of > QUEEN ANN in the BUGLE, but I guess I was wrong. I know I have a memory of > seeing reviews of QUEEN ANN and PATCHWORK BRIDE, one after the other, and if > it wasn't in the BUGLE I wonder where it was? If you ever find out, let me know. I'd like to see any reviews of it myself. > Glad the snow didn't do anything worse to you than snow you in. I hope you're > not where you're likely to be flooded, either; I hear that's the next big > threat in the Northwest. There is a stream by our back door that is rising VERY high... But the biggest problem that's come up is the lake in our parking lot, right in front of our garage. But floods, unlike blizzards, are nothing new for us around here. This one just looks a little more severe than usual, is all. > From: ozbot@ix.netcom.com (ozbot) > Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 12-30-96 > > For Eric-- > How about the picture of Ozma leaning her head on her arms? It would > make a great interlaced image, so it wouldn't need to take a long time > to download, either Where is this picture from? And in what context on my web page should I put it? > As for "mailto" images, any of those pictures around Baum's "To my > readers" prologues or even those around the copyright symbols? Good thinking. I'll take a look. (I just remembered the picture of Tip reading mail in "Land," that may be perfect.) > Aaron-- Is that the first verse or the second verse of SSBanner? And, > about the high notes, I heard that the SSB is one of the most difficult > songs that we Americans sing on a regular basis. The other was "Happy > Birthday to You." Something about a wierd arrangements of notes, > making you jump a whole octave at times. The first two notes of "Over the Rainbow" are separated by an entire octave. Just thought I'd mention that. > From: OzBucket@aol.com > Subject: Oz trivia question > > I feel so dumb, but can't recall who someone is. Boglodore, the Old Man of > the Forest/Jungle or something. Who is he? Good/Evil? Where last sighted? > Which books is he in? I know he's somebody terribly important... (Eric pulls out his trusty copy of "Who's Who in Oz") Here we go. On page 22... "Boglodore was a wizard in Ozamaland and was also known as the Old Man of the Jungle. He carried Prince Tandy off to Patripanny Island in the Nonestic Ocean and left him to the mercies of the wild beasts and Leopard Men. When his own treachery betrayed him, Boglodore turned against his co-plotter in a way that helped Prince Tandy out of his difficulties. 'Captain Salt in Oz,' p. 260. (T)" --Eric "And today is the fortieth anniversary of the International Wizard of Oz Club -- Happy Birthday, IWOC!" Gjovaag ### Visit my "Wizard of Oz" web site! http://www.eskimo.com/~tiktok/ ### ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 15:39:49 -0500 From: Tyler Jones <104707.656@compuserve.com> Subject: Oz Nate and Dave: Serialization? I'm still trying to figure it out too. :-( Bob Spark: Dave already mentioned Books of Wonder. Could someone post their 800 number again? I've been persuing digests for the past few months, and can't find it. Sunny: Hope your trip to the hospital was not too serious. Glad you're back. Dave: I remember a reference to _The Oz Spangled Banner_, probably in Baum or Thompson. Original material: I am in favor of original material on the CD. I agree with David's suggestion that this material be marked as theoretical, personal opinions, etc. Some topics are vitally important, IMO. One of these is the validity of Oz books. I wrote an essay for the Oz Research Group called "What is an Oz book?" that explores this issue. Also, the status of Ozma is important, since she is the ruler of all Oz. As long as we are careful to note the differences between factual information, theories, and discussions, I feel that all kinds of different material can be added. The whole point is to explore Oz in ALL its forms, not just a recitation of already existing works. Dave and Ken: I checked, and the log of _Emerald City_ is indeed there. So we now have the first seven. :-) Chris, alias OzBucket: Boglodore is the Old Man of the Jungle in _Captain Salt_. He is also the companion of Umbo, the Umbrella Elephant. This is embarassing to say, but I forgot if he was good or evil! Of course, as soon as I unpack all my stuff, I can check, but perhaps someone else can analyze his character. Dave: I have my thanks to add for the digest, but in a different way. One thing that you have been doing recently is putting multiple dates on the digest to account for missing dates. For example, if there was no digest on December 21, then the digest for December 22 would be titled _The Ozzy Digest, December 21-22. This greatly helps in making sure that I have all the digests archived. So thanks a bunch! :-) --Tyler Jones ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 13:06:57 -0800 From: ozbot@ix.netcom.com (ozbot) Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 12-31-96 You're probably going to get razzed about this by others, but. . . Dave, You wrote: > > >Button Bright: And we guys are just a bunch of macho slobs who wear camo >underwear and rip the feathers out of Orks, eh? :) > Well, Button Bright, last time I looked at an Ork, your defense doesn't seem to be holding up too well. . . Ork: Well, I could afford a little off the top, please. . . Grinning, Danny ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 16:53:15 -0500 (EST) From: Gili Bar-Hillel Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-01-96 Hi Digest! I'm back after a relaxing ten days back home in Jerusalem. A week ago, I was opting for lunch indoors because the sun was too strong outdoors. Back in Cambridge, I nearly froze my fingers off... I hope you all had a wonderful holiday and I wish you a happy new year! I've spent the better part of two hours catching up on digests. Here are some of my responses, which I'll attempt to give in reverse order so they won't seem irrelevant: Aaron - as many have pointed out, that IS only the first verse of the star spangled banner. I just wanted to add that most Israelis, too, know only the first verse of "HaTikvah", which actually has more that ten verses. Most people probably don't even know that there is more than one verse. Same goes for "Maoz Tzur", the Hannuka song. As for Danny's comment about how difficult "Star Spangled Banner" and "Happy Birthday" are too sing, "HaTikvah" also has a one octave jump in it - those pesky high notes :-). As for a national anthem of Oz, I don't have my books with me to check, but I'm sure at least one very anthem-like title of a song is mentioned in the FF, at one of the events, maybe at the end of _ROAD_ or _MAGIC_. Here's the song I had the Ozites sing in "Pigmentation" (off the top of my head, so this may vary slightly from the version printed in Oziana): Ozma, dear Ozma, our beautiful Queen She rules from the city whose turrets are green Her lips are as red as a Quadling's dream And Gilliken violet her eyes. Dorothy, Dorothy, princess and friend The most wonderful gift that a cyclone could send Her hair is as yellow as Winkie Ice-cream And her eyes are like blue Munchkin skies. I cannot vouch for Ozma's eyes actually being violet, though I don't think I've come across any evidence to the contrary. But some poetic license must be allowed if we are to mention all five regions of Oz and their colors... David - I too, know at least some of the lyrics of "Waltzing Matilda". My grandmother had them printed on a tea-towel ;-). Aaron again - I would never in a million years have thought of reading Jinnicky's name the way you did. For one thing, the natural way to transcribe this name into Hebrew would be without an aleph at the end, so that the last syllable would not be spelled the same as the word "vomit". In my experience, both in English and definitely in Hebrew, names ending with the sound "ee" have a postive connotation: "ee" is used as a suffix of endearment or as a diminutive. (Gili is my middle name, not my first name, because my grandmother claimed it sounds like a nickname and isn't respectable enough for a first name). Compare Dave and Davy, John and Johnny, Rose and Rosie, Ann and Annie... Hence, conceivably, Jinnick and Jinnicky. Jinnicky could also be the derivative of a longer name (as Debbie is of Deborah, Abbie of Abigail, Mandy of Amanda...). But for what it's worth, my intuition is that the Arabic word for vomit is not "ki". The Arabic "kuf" is much more guttaral than the Hebrew, it is almost a G sound, and is often transcribed with a G instead of a K. (as in "gahwe" for "coffee"). Davey Jones - I can't resist the temptation to quote Tom Lehrer's "Irish Ballad", thought the connection is tenuous at best. Off the top of my head,in a greatly condensed version (every other line of the actual song is "sing ricketty ticketty tin"): About a girl I'll sing a song Who did not have her family long. Not only did she do them wrong, She did every one of them in. Her mother she could never stand, And so a cyanide soup she planned. The mother died with a spoon in her hand, And her face in a hideous grin. She set her sister's hair on fire And as the flames rose higher and higher, She danced aroung the funeral pyre Playing the violin. One day when she had nothing to do She cut her baby brother in two She served him up in an Irish stew And invited the neighbors all in. Her father she weighed down with stones And sent him down to DAVEY JONES (see, there was a connection) All they ever found was a pile of bones And occasional pieces of skin. But when at last police came by, Her little pranks she did not deny, For to do so she would have had to lie, And lying she knew was a sin. I think villains are usually much more interesting than heroes. ;-) I had zillions more things to say, but i'll skip them. I'm sleepy. Jetlag :-(. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Gili Bar-Hillel abhillel@fas.harvard.edu gili@scso.com http://www.scso.com/~gili ====================================================================== "He thought he saw an Elephant |\ _,,,---,,_ That practised on a fife: /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ He looked again, and found it was |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' A letter from his wife. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) 'At length I realise,' he said, (cat by Felix Lee) 'The bitterness of Life!'" - Lewis Carrol, "Sylvie and Bruno" ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 16:54:23 -0500 From: CrNoble@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-01-96 Dave and Everyone -- It's been a very Ozzy holiday season this year thanks to all of you in the Ozzy Digest. I haven't been this excited about Oz in years. I'm already planning to go to this year's Munchkin convention - the last time I went was in 1981! My wife, Terry, gave me BoW's "Enchanted Island of Yew" for Christmas. I read it in two sittings. I enjoyed it very much. It definitely reminded me that I like non-Oz Baum better than non-Baum Oz. (I may be in the minority here.) I too, noticed the anti-feminist thread. But I'm also thinking about Martin Gardner's essay, "The Royal Historian of Oz," which is reprinted in a new anthology of his writings. (I think it's called "The Universe is Large," or something like that.) Gardner writes that "Enchanted Island of Yew" is plagued by dark psychological undertones, but he doesn't explain what he means. Do you think he's referring to Nerle's masochistic quest for pain and misery? On another note, I'm so excited because I finally finished my collection of FF reading copies. I stumbled upon a first edition of "Hidden Valley" and was able to buy it for $35. It's 46 years old, but for me it's a new Oz book! I also found a place with a FE of "Shaggy Man" for $125, but I don't know if that's a good deal. Finally, I just checked out Eric Gjovaag's web page for the first time. (I used my office computer b/c, alas my home computer doesn't have enough RAM to run AOL's web browser.) I printed the whole thing out -- I love it! I'm especially pleased to see the Baum bibliography, including pseudonymous works. I also had no idea about IWOC's latest publications, such as "The Wicked Witch of Oz," or the new book planned for 2000. Another good reason to rejoin IWOC. Sorry so long, but it's been a revelation for me to rediscover Oz. Happy, Ozzy New Year! -- Craig Noble ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 18:10:15 -0500 From: "Melody G. Keller" <104270.2374@compuserve.com> Subject: Ozzy Digest, 12-30-96 David Hulan: The Lost Sea is located off Exit 60 on Rt 75 south, southwest of Knoxville, Tenn. Hope that's not too far out of your way. Melody Grandy ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 17:41:53 -0800 (PST) From: w_baldwin@juno.com (Warren H Baldwin) Subject: Oz Trivia More of those ubiquitous Oz references: In the book _The Stainless Steel Rat Goes to H---_ by H. Harrison (please, no remarks on my taste in reading matter) an actual yellow brick road plays a minor role in the plot. In the book _Moon Shot_ by Shepard and Slayton an allusion is made to Dorothy's ruby slippers as a comparative for astronaut gear. On the CD _World's Greatest Classic Books_, which purports to contain "over 3,500 of the world's best literary works from the greatest writers of all time," one of those works is _The Wizard of Oz_, which I thought was rather impressive because (a) this is a Canadian company, apparently, and (b) The Wiz keeps company with such documents as works of Shakespeare, Dickens, Poe, the King James version of the Bible, The Koran, that Manifesto, and many others. And it was under 20 bucks. Go figure with the million-dollar estimate for an Oz CD. ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 17:19:45 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Gjovaag Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 12-31-96 > From: "Stephen J. Teller" > Subject: Ozzyness > > I am starting to need reviews > for the Spring 1997 issue. If you have something you would like to > review, or if you know of something that should be reviewed in the BUGLE > even if you do not want to write the review, please contact me > (steller@pittstate.edu). I'd suggest reviewing "Queen Ann in Oz," but I think I stuck my big fat foot in my mouth once again and did so. Which leads me to... > From: Robin Olderman > Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 12-30-96 > > Eric: Instead of publicly blaming IWOC (yeah, that's how it translates--as > blame, I mean), why not just write Steve Teller, the Review Editor of the > _Bugle_? Sorry, yes, foot-in-mouth disease strikes again. Seriously, I DON'T think there is an anti-BoW conspiracy, and I CERTAINLY don't think Steve is involved, but I did not do a very good job of conveying that in my note. > From: Tyler Jones <104707.656@compuserve.com> > Subject: Oz > > Eric: > Glad to hear you're OK in Seattle. My dad lives in Bellingham, so he knows > all about snow. I went to school in Bellingham. They've been getting the worst of this latest set of storms. I know JUST how he feels. I hope he's all right. > Also, my _Laughing Dragon_ is probably about as fragile as yours. I think they're ALL pretty fragile. > From: Dave Hardenbrook > Subject: Ozzy Things > > Eric suggests that the CD-ROM shouldn't include original stuff by us-- I suggested nothing of the sort. I suggested that all that stuff should be a lower priority than the FF, works by Baum, et. al. Question is, what is the audience this CD-ROM will reach? Is it aimed at Oz fans in general (and those who may not have the vast knowledge, expertise, or contacts we do)? Or is it "The Ozzy Digest CD-ROM," just for us? > And so what if we don't agree? The CD will present opposing views then! Again, it comes down to, how will the material be prioritized for inclusion? Which is more important and useful for the intended audience? If you can fit on extra essays, great. But if we're going to limit this to one CD, which seems to be the case (and the most practical), something may not be put on. > True, we'll have to be selective on what issues we include, or else we > may have enough material for 50 CDs, but I think it can be done. How will it be decided? And who will do the deciding? > There > are definitely some very fundamental issues that could be included like, > "Do all HACC books have equal validity, or is the FF the only 'real' Oz?" Do you think people can't decide for themselves on this, then? Do they need the Guiding Hand of Ye Olde Digesters to tell them one way or the other? Or can you allow people to decide for themselves, even though they may disagree with you? In other words, WHY is this still an issue, and why are people trying to impose this beyond the Digest? > And while I know I'm being egocentric, I admit I would like to see the > debates that reflect on my own contributions to Oz -- Are ideas about a > resurrected Good Witch of the North, Adepts with dynamic personalities, > and an Ozma who is not only assertive, wise, and strong-minded but also is > interested in marriage valid concepts or do they represent total satanic > blasphemy (as I know all too well some of you believe)? Or can we let Oz readers come up with their own ideas? Which brings me to this little bon mot: > ( Dave ducks while Eric and other FF-purists > fling the Wicked Witch of the West's fireballs at him... :) :) ) Dave, I am VERY, VERY angry at this. I am NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, an FF purist. Would I have written my own Oz book if I was a purist? Would I have gone out in the snow to a bookstore just to buy "How the Wizard Saved Oz" after I got a "Sorry, sold out" note from Books of Wonder if I was a purist? (Don't laugh, I really did -- and paid more for it than BoW charged, too!) Would I have over FOUR HUNDRED Oz books in my collection if I was a purist -- including such gems (?) as "Wicked," "Was," "A Barnstormer in Oz," "The Lizard of Oz," "Dorothy and the Lizard of Oz" (probably one of the biggest wastes of paper ever), and "Radioactive Teddy Bear from Hell Destroys Oz"? Yes, except for "Mr. Flint in Oz" and a few March Laumer books, I have just about every original Oz story ever published, and even one or two that haven't been yet. And I have read and enjoyed them all (well, maybe not thoroughly enjoyed each and every one of them, but you get the idea). So by no stretch of the imagination, I think it's fair to say, can I be accused of being a FF purist. You have totally failed to comprehend and appreciate my position. Therefore, I am going to spell it out yet again. As Oz fans, we (and by we I mean ALL Oz fans, not just those online, or those online who actually say things) need to have a common base of reference. Let's face it, as much as we'd like everyone to be able to acquire and read every Oz book ever written, it just isn't possible. Too many fans have different priorities, tastes, etc., for it to happen. Coming up with a common reference base is itself problematical, since some fans prefer one author (such as those who recognize only Baum as the one true Oz author), but since there is one generally agreed upon set of "official" books -- the FF -- that are generally more available and generally acknowledged by fans and researchers, this needs to be the common ground -- and this is also the common ground from which all the other books spring, directly or indirectly. Since there is a common reference base, for the sake of one's audience that common reference base needs to have a higher priority than any other Oz book. (Note that I said HIGHER priority, not that the FF should be the ONLY priority.) Because odds are, any fellow Oz fan you are talking to will be much more likely to have read -- or at least know about -- the FF than any other Oz book. Therefore, when discussing research, MOPPeT's, etc., I prefer to limit myself to the FF, not because I think it's in any way pure or sacred, but because I know that's what people are most familiar with. I do not want to alienate my audience by bringing in works they are most likely not familiar with and may no longer be able to easily access. (What *I* find especially irritating is when people use unpublished manuscripts to justify some theory or idea. How can ANYONE else access the material, read it, and form their own conclusion?) What this boils down to is, I am trying to appeal to as many Oz fans as I can, while remaining true to my own sense of Ozziness. Some fans are more into Oz than I am, for some it's not as big a deal. And that is perfectly all right, I am not trying to come in from on high and say, "Thou shalt read these Oz books and thinketh this," as unfortunately some posters on this Digest have come off appearing at times. So I am naturally upset when people think of this as some sort of elitism or purism, when in fact I'm trying to do just the opposite -- allow people to think for themselves and read what they want and make up their own minds as to what is and is not an Oz book. Dave, I want an apology, but more importantly, I want you and the other Digesters to finally understand my position. --Eric "And now I'll clam up again" Gjovaag ### Visit my "Wizard of Oz" web site! http://www.eskimo.com/~tiktok/ ### ====================================================================== Date: 01 January, 1997 23:45:33 From: Dave Hardenbrook Subject: Ozzy Things Eric wrote: >> From: Dave Hardenbrook >> Subject: Ozzy Things >> >> Eric suggests that the CD-ROM shouldn't include original stuff by us-- > >I suggested nothing of the sort. I suggested that all that stuff should >be a lower priority than the FF, works by Baum, et. al... Well okay, I misuderstood...But you DID say that you thought it should have priority just a tier above Nixon's "Checkers" speech -- Since that speech was of course a little less than 0% Ozzy, it left the impression that you didn't care to have original material on the CD *at all*... > Question is, what >is the audience this CD-ROM will reach? Is it aimed at Oz fans in >general (and those who may not have the vast knowledge, expertise, or >contacts we do)? Or is it "The Ozzy Digest CD-ROM," just for us? Well, I'm assuming that the average Oz fan might be interested in the kind of debates/research are going on in the Oz community, but perhaps I'm mistaken... >> True, we'll have to be selective on what issues we include, or else we >> may have enough material for 50 CDs, but I think it can be done. > >How will it be decided? And who will do the deciding? All of us who put the CD together can reach a concensus, I hope (But again, perhaps I'm mistaken). >Do you think people can't decide for themselves on this, then? Do they >need the Guiding Hand of Ye Olde Digesters to tell them one way or the >other? Or can you allow people to decide for themselves, even though they >may disagree with you? In other words, WHY is this still an issue, and >why are people trying to impose this beyond the Digest? I don't want us on the Digest to TELL anyone anything (except factual things like "Thompson wrote Oz books between 1920 and 1939")...If we include debatable issues, I want them to be presented as MOPPeTs (an acronym that we are all grateful to you for, BTW), and let the reader decide for himself if he agree or disagrees. >> And while I know I'm being egocentric, I admit I would like to see the >> debates that reflect on my own contributions to Oz -- Are ideas about a >> resurrected Good Witch of the North, Adepts with dynamic personalities, >> and an Ozma who is not only assertive, wise, and strong-minded but also is >> interested in marriage valid concepts or do they represent total satanic >> blasphemy (as I know all too well some of you believe)? > >Or can we let Oz readers come up with their own ideas? As I said, I was aware of my own egocentricity (that part of me that wants to "advertise" my own Oz writings at every opportunity)... >> ( Dave ducks while Eric and other FF-purists >> fling the Wicked Witch of the West's fireballs at him... :) :) ) > >Dave, I am VERY, VERY angry at this... I think this goes back to what has been pointed out before on the Digest: That the very impersonal-ness of the Internet makes it very easy to offend people even if we only mean it as a "joke". We all need to practice more tact... Ozma: A picture may be worth a thousand words, but a kind word is worth a HUNDRED thousand SMILIES... :) >I am NOT, by any stretch of the >imagination, an FF purist...You have totally failed to comprehend and >appreciate my position. Therefore, I am going to spell it out yet again... Okay, I get what you're saying, and apologize for chiding you for merely wanting to recognize the "Canonical" status of the FF over non-FF works... If it's all right, I like to put your comments in the Digest file containing everyone's MOPPeT's so that we are all aware of your position and don't misrepresent your views again. >(What *I* find especially irritating is when people use >unpublished manuscripts to justify some theory or idea. How can ANYONE >else access the material, read it, and form their own conclusion?) I recognize this is a crime I'm *very* guilty of, because I'm always using my unpublished manuscripts _Locasta_, "Fairy Princess", and even my Sci-Fi novel(!) as "evidence" of Ozzy theories...As I said, I'm arrogant and egocentric...Maybe someday I'll grow up...Even though I *try* to do better I still sometimes forget that Oz belongs to *everyone* and act like Baum left Oz to me in his will. :) >Dave, I want an apology, but more importantly, I want you and the other >Digesters to finally understand my position. I *DO* most emphatically apologize, and I think you finally got your point of view through my Emerald-coated cranium... :) -- Dave ====================================================================== ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, JANUARY 2, 1997 (Part 2 of 2) *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 05:57:58 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Olderman Subject: Poll-DAVE, PLEASE READ FIRST AND ADD STUFF IF I FORGOT I POLL: Here are the questions in our _Ozzy Digest_ poll. Feel free to answer directly in the _Digest_, this time, instead of e-mailing me privately. This way, y'all can see all of each response, instead of only the condensed version of it. Answer only the questions you feel like answering. Please, however, answer the questions in sequence. Thanks! N.B. Not all of these questions will lend themselves to tabulation. NAME: DATE OF BIRTH: HOME (With nearest major city if you're somewhere out in the "boonies"): PROFESSION: HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED--DEGREE(S) EARNED, ANY POST-GRAD HOURS? ETC. AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: HOW YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ (This probably can't be tabulated, but it's always fun to know.): HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ (From a friend? Web page and which one?, etc.): OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO (International Wizard of Oz Club, The Royal Club of Oz, etc.): PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS): HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?:BAUM BOOKS? THOMPSON? NEILL? COSGROVE-PAYS? McGRAW? WHICH NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? (_Yankee..._, _Runaway..._, _Wicked Witch..._, _Forbidden Fountain.._, etc.) HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ: HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ: HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? (IWOC, BOW, VANITY, ETC.) ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ BOOKS, RESEARCH, ETC.) MAIN OZZY AREA OF CONCENTRATION (Again, this--and the next question-- won't be tabulated, but should prove interesting.) WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN MOPPeTS ABOUT OZ? (Mine is that Glinda's function is essentially to help and/or protect Ozma. Also, The Americans in Oz are there for a purpose: they are needed...probably to fulfill a prophecy.) ****************************************** NOTE: Please E-mail responses to me so they can be printed in the Digest... -- Dave ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 20:26:29 -0500 (EST) From: bmartine@sas.upenn.edu (Brook T Martinez) Subject: The timing of Oz Dear Dave, I'm a freshmean at the University of Pennsylvania and was recently told that if I listened to the Pink Floyd album "Dark side of the moon" with Oz they parallel each other. So I went out and bought Oz and watched them as imstructed and, sure enough , it worked. At first I thought that this was brilliant of Pink Floyd and still do. But then I realized that there something behind Oz that is also incredible. Oz is timed in a certain way that the movie parallels itself in several ways. I began to think this when I read on a web page that you can also start the CD when the house lands in Oz (not just at the beginning of the movie). I'm writing to ask if you have any information about the amazing parallels of time in the movie. Thanks for your time and please write back. Thanks again, Brook Martinez ps Another thing: what's up with the soldiers marching like the nazis? I noticed the film was in 1939, right as the nazis came into power. Just curious. [NOTE: I don't think this fellow is a Digest member, so please send him private E-mail if you want to respond to his question. -- Dave] ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 23:00:57 +0000 (UT) From: Kenneth Shepherd Subject: Ozzy Digest *please post* Re: Ozzy Digest 1-1 David H-- >chronology on PG indicates that it's a day's journey from the EC to Jack Pumpkinhead's, yet they also make it back from the Tin Woodman's castle in a day - even though we know, from both EMERALD CITY and ROAD, that Jack lives between the TW and EC.< You may also notice that in PG it takes Ojo's party two days to get to the border of the Quadling Country, but in JACK PUMPKINHEAD Peter and Jack make it to Scare City in a couple of hours walking. Of course, the IWOC Oz map show Mr Yoop and the Hoppers & Horners a lot further west than Scare City.... Danny-- >start "PATCHWORK GIRL" earlier when Dr Pipt started the batch of Life Powder?< Sure, it's possible... I just never thought of it. Feel free to add it if you choose... Chris-- I'm sure everyone else will tell you as well, but Boglodore is the master of the Umbrellaphant who originally kidnaped Tandy in CAPTAIN SALT. ******WARNING: POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR "TIK-TOK" AHEAD******** Day 1 - Queen Ann Soforth resolves to conquer Oz and begins to gather an army Day 4 - "Three days later" the Grand Army of Oogaboo departs - Glinda enchants path Day 6 - They meet the Rak after wandering for "three unhappy days" - Betsy & Hank washed overboard Day 7 - Betsy & Hank enter the Rose Kingdom - meet Shaggy Man, pick Rose Princess - meet Polychrome - discover Tik-Tok in well - meet the Army of Oogaboo - Ruggedo dumps party down the Great Tube - the party appears before Tititi Hoochoo - night with Kings & Queens (Betsy & Polychrome with Queen Erma) Day 8 - Tititi Hoochoo passes sentence on Ruggedo - Betsy's party departs with Quox - Grand Army of Oogaboo captured & escapes through tunnel in pit - Ruggedo deposed & Kaliko made king Day 9 - Quox departs - search for the Metal Forest begins Days 9-11 - "For three days" their search is unsuccessful Day 12 - Polychrome meets Ruggedo -they discover the Metal Forest - Ugly One disenchanted - Poly, Ann, Army, return home - Tik-tok, Shaggy, Brother, Hank, Betsy go to Emerald City ****************END SPOILERS***************** Best of the New Year to all, KRS ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 04:48:44 +0000 From: Scott Olsen Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-01-96 Re: Dick's comment about Bugle space "given to Shirley Temple, and her association with Oz. I'm a fan of hers, but find her Oz connection rather weak." I agree. I would have, however, liked to see perhaps a more in-depth article about her 1960 Land of Oz T.V show. Maybe someday.... And to those of you who think the commercialism of Christmas is a recent phenomenon--note the date (November 12th, 1920!) of the Gimbel department store ad in the recent Bugle for "Santa's Cave of Oz" (whatever that is--sounds kind of frightening to me...) Note that it's 1 1/2 weeks before Thanksgiving! Re: Sky Island--It is my understanding that Baum considered this his best work. However, it's a shame that a color edition isn't available nowadays--but the mere fact that an edition IS availible is a sign of how fortunate we are. Happy New Year, Scott Olsen ====================================================================== ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, JANUARY 3, 1997 (Part 1 of 2) *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 06:41:55 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Olderman Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (1 of 2) Craig: Please don't apologize for a long post like that. I thought it was delightfully full of enthusiasm. The _Shaggy Man_ may be a good deal if it's in reasonable condition. Gili: Welcome back and, even though the connection was tenuous, thanks for reminding me of Lehrer's "ballad." The man was brilliant and absolutely hilarious, from "Plagiarize" to "Be Prepared" to "The Vatican Rag." For those who weren't familiar with "The Irish Ballad," you may want to reread it repeating the last line of each stanza...preferably in a sardonic, reedy voice. Very effective. ...and occasional pieces of skin, of skin, and occasional pieces of skin. ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 07:28:00 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Olderman Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (2 of 2) CLARIFICATION OF POLL QUESTION: The question after OZ BOOKS READ should be: OTHER OZ BOOKS BY CANONICAL AUTHORS. Response to Poll: Name: Robin Olderman DATE OF BIRTH: 6/24/44 I'm 52 (!) HOME:Oogaboo. (O.K., Houston, TX, but my heart is in the Pacific Northwest) PROFESSION: English teacher and antiquarian book dealer HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION: A.B. degree and a ridiculously large number of post-graduate hours. AGE I "DISCOVERED" OZ: Dunno. I can't remember a time when it wasn't a part of my life HOW: My mom read the books to me until I learned to read. Much later, I met Jim Haff, then the VP of IWOC. He hounded me until I joined IWOC. DIGEST: I was one of the first subscribers, I guess. Someone (and whoever you are, THANK YOU!) e-mailed me that Dave was starting it. I'd belonged to earlier e-mail Oz groups. This one's the best. OZ ORGS: International Wizard of Oz Club. I did belong to The Royal Club of Oz. It was cute, and I may rejoin. PRIMARY OZ INTEREST: Books. It took me years before I liked the movie. OZ BOOKS READ: All of the FF OTHER OZ BOOKS BY CANONICAL AUTHORS: All of the published ones. NON-OZ BAUM: Almost all of them, including the pseudonymous titles. I haven't read _The Book of the Hamburgs_ and haven't bothered really reading _By the Candelabra's Glare_. I also skipped some of Baum's Mary Louise titles (and all of the ones by Sampson). NON-OZ RPT: Omigosh. Lots. _Curious Cruise of Captain Santa_, _King Kojo_, _Princess of Cozytown_, _Perhappsy Chaps_, many of her pamphlets/brochures, many of her pieces from _Jack and Jill_, and bits and pieces of _The Wonder Book_. NON-FF OZ:Queen Ann, Christmas in Oz, Glass Cat, Lizard of Oz, Gardener's Boy, Button-Bright, Blue Emperor, Green Dolphin, Ork in Oz, several of the translated Volkovs, and an Emerald City Press book about Cayke's dishpan. I suspect I've forgotten to list some. I've been at this a long time. CURRENT OZZY PROJECTS: I'm trying to write my second Oz book. (I trashed _The Great Seal of Oz_ many years ago). I edit _Oziana_. I'm one of many who try to help Patrick Maund and Peter Hanff with Oz bibliography. And I "talk Oz" with my customers. I thoroughly enjoy sharing my enthusiasm with them. MOPPets:Glinda's function is essentially to help and/or protect Ozma. Also, The Americans in Oz are there for a purpose: they are needed...probably to fulfill a prophecy. Boyoboy, are these responses gonna take up space! ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 09:21:11 -0500 (EST) From: Gili Bar-Hillel Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (2 of 2) Hi again! I have jetlag in a bad way. Woke up at 3:30!!! Eric: I agree with you, and I think that if anyone here is actually planning on producing a CD-ROM in the near future, it should be just those Oz or Baum books which are or were available online. Frankly, I don't think that our individual MoPPets would be of much interest to people outside the digest: it takes most new digest readers a while to even figure out what we're talking about. Also, only a small number of us actually have firm MoPPets that we would like to see written down and presented as our theories. For some of us, MoPPets are just ideas that we toss around as possibilities, no more than that. But though I agree with Eric, I do wish you would not react so emotionally. I would much rather you calmed down than clammed up... but then again, who am I to judge the emotional state of a man with a lake on his driveway? :-) About concensus: by now it should be clear that we are not very good at reaching a concensus. Seriously, we can't even reach a concensus about whether we can reach a concensus! A recent example that comes to mind is one digest in which two different posts tried to present the general opinion on the digest about Maguire's "Wicked", and reached more or less conflicting conclusions. Concensus on the digest was neither for nor against "Wicked": some digesters liked it, some loathed it, some decided in advance they didn't want to read it, some expressed no opinion at all.Many of the bruised feelings on this digest have been caused by one digester attempting to present a theory, any theory, as a concensus theory. This is dangerous territory. 2. Here's my poll response: > POLL: > NAME: Gili Bar-Hillel > DATE OF BIRTH: 10/19/74 > HOME (With nearest major city if you're somewhere out in the "boonies"): > Ordinarily commuting between Jerusalem and Tel-Aviv, this year Cambridge (Boston). > PROFESSION: student. > HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED--DEGREE(S) EARNED, ANY POST-GRAD HOURS? ETC. > Fourth year of university studies.(but graduation still a year away...) > AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: saw the movie at three, read the books between ages six and ten. > HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ (From a friend? Web page and which > one?, etc.): > I was on Nate Barlow's mailing list. > OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO (International Wizard of Oz Club, The Royal > Club of Oz, etc.): IWOC only. > PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS): > Books. > HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?:BAUM BOOKS? THOMPSON? NEILL? > COSGROVE-PAYS? McGRAW? > All of Baum, almost all of Thompson, Merry Go Round, Wonder City. > WHICH NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? (_Yankee..._, _Runaway..._, _Wicked > Witch..._, _Forbidden Fountain.._, etc.) > Wicked Witch, most of Runaway, Shanower Graphic Novels,Blystone translations of Volkov books, Giant Garden, Glass Cat, Queen Ann, Sawhorse of Oz, random house Oz books, Dorothy of Oz... I'll never remember them all. > HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ: four or five. > HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ: none. > HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? (IWOC, BOW, > VANITY, ETC.) Hmm, haven't I already answered that? > ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ BOOKS, > RESEARCH, ETC.) None at present. > MAIN OZZY AREA OF CONCENTRATION (Again, this--and the next > question-- won't be tabulated, but should > prove interesting.) I like comparing different editions and different illustrations. I like the variety of Oz writings, I like having foreign editions. In short, I like the variety of Oz. > WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN MOPPeTS ABOUT OZ? (Mine is that Glinda's function is > essentially to help and/or protect Ozma. Also, The Americans in Oz are > there for a purpose: they are needed...probably to fulfill a prophecy.) I haven't formulated any firm MOPPets, or if I have, someone else is going to have to keep track of them for me! But here's a question I think should be added to the poll: Have you written any Oz stories, books, or articles that have been published or can be obtained by contacting you? Bye! Gili ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 09:41:16 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman Subject: ozzy digest Dave Hardenbrook: The blonde Ozma isn't really a mistake in terms of Baum's text. Baum described Ozma (and Neill drew her) in "Land" as blonde. But in "Ozma" Baum didn't mention her hair color, and Neill drew her as dark-haired. Denslow had shown Dorothy in his color pictures as having brown hair, and in his monochrome pictures he had drawn her with moderately-shaded hair. Neill evidently wanted a dark/light contrast to make drawing the two girls easier, and evidently decided that light-to-medium brown should go to fair, which by default made Ozma dark-haired. Baum went along with Neill's idea of Ozma to the extent of not contradicting it, but I don't think he ever said anything after "Land" about Ozma's hair color. Rpt and the later authors took Neill's word for it, and did describe Ozma as dark-haired. Dave Hardenbrook, Eric Gjovaag, David Hulan, Gordon Birrell, Tyler Jones: Another early use of Davy Jones is in "The Pearl and the Pumpkin" by Paul West and W. W. Denslow (illustrated by Denslow). In their version, the locker is an under-sea boarding house run by Davy Jones, with the assistance of Bridget, an Irish mermaid. (That's "maid" as in "cleaning woman," so to speak.) The lodgers are mostly pirates with a longing for pumpkin pie. Robin Olderman: It doesn't really seem to me that Eric Gjovaag's comments about "Bugle" review amount to blaming the "Bugle." (The comments about a "conspiracy" to ignore Books of Wonder books didn't seem to be meant seriously.) His question about Couldn't someone review his book is mostly one that concerns Steve Teller rather than the Ozzy D group as a whole, but to some extent he's asking if there might be someone in the group who would want to volunteer to Steve to do such a review, so it's fairly appropriate to make it a group posting rather than just an individual note to Steve, I should think. (Along the same lines, I'll remark that I hope the "Bugle" will eventually run a review of the "Dunkiton pamphlets" I've been doing.) Ruth Berman ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:12:31 -0500 (EST) From: better living through chemistry Subject: RE: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (2 of 2) >NAME: Scott Cummings > >DATE OF BIRTH: 11/24/67 > >HOME (With nearest major city if you're somewhere out in the "boonies"): > Gambier, OH (north of Columbus, OH) >PROFESSION: Professor of Chemistry > >HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED--DEGREE(S) EARNED, ANY POST-GRAD HOURS? ETC. > Ph. D. (doctor of thinkology) >AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: 12 > >HOW YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ (This probably can't be tabulated, but it's always > fun to know.): > Dover edition of The Marvelous Land of Oz, with introduction by Martin Gardner mentioning the Oz club. Of course, I knew about and watched the MGM movie before then. >HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ (From a friend? Web page and which > one?, etc.): I was on Nate Barlow's original mail list. > >OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO (International Wizard of Oz Club, The Royal > Club of Oz, etc.): > IWOOC since 1979 >PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS): > books >HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?:BAUM BOOKS? THOMPSON? NEILL? > COSGROVE-PAYS? McGRAW? > 25? >WHICH NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? (_Yankee..._, _Runaway..._, _Wicked >Witch..._, _Forbidden Fountain.._, etc.) maybe 20? including most by "major" Oz authors, many Laumer. > >HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ: 5-8 > >HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ: 0 > >HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? (IWOC, BOW, > VANITY, ETC.) > see above >ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ BOOKS, > RESEARCH, ETC.) > still collect books; trying to round out a collection of the 40. >MAIN OZZY AREA OF CONCENTRATION (Again, this--and the next > question-- won't be tabulated, but should >prove interesting.) > collecting books >WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN MOPPeTS ABOUT OZ? (Mine is that Glinda's function is > essentially to help and/or protect Ozma. Also, The Americans in Oz are > there for a purpose: they are needed...probably to fulfill a prophecy.) It's a wonderful land to read about, but I try not to take it too seriously. I am perfectly comfortable (and enjoy!) the inconsistencies found in the Oz books. I have found few recent authors who come close to matching the charm of Baum. ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 12:39:24 -0500 From: DavidXOE@aol.com Subject: Oz Poll Answers Name: David Hulan Date of Birth: 12/18/36 Home: Naperville, IL (near Chicago) Profession: Retired, former lens designer for aerospace Highest educational level: BA, all course work for Master's but no thesis. Age I "discovered" Oz: 5, I believe. How I found out about the Ozzy Digest: I'd been on the Ozzy repeater somebody was running in the summer of '95, so Dave sent me an E-mail asking if I'd be interested in the Digest, which I was. Oz organizations I belong to: IWOC and RCOO. (I assume that the Digest goes without saying.) Primary Oz interest: Books, though I like the movie. How many canonical Oz books have I read: All of them, frequently. Which non-FF books have I read: All the IWOC and BoW books, plus Shanower's graphic novels, the "Random Housies", MYSTERIOUS CHRONICLES, CORY, DINAMONSTER, BARNSTORMER, TOTO, INVISIBLE INZI, SILLY OZBULS, WINGED MONKEYS, DOROTHY, DISENCHANTED PRINCESS, RETURN TO OZ, TALES FROM MAGIC LAND I, WICKED...I think that's it. How many non-Oz Baum titles have I read: 17 How many non-Oz Thompson titles have I read: 3 How many non-FF books have I read: At least 36 Any current Ozzy projects: Writing a book for the Centennial Contest, waiting for BoW to decide whether to publish the book currently in their hands, writing the serial for the RCOO newsletter. Main Ozzy area of concentration: Writing new Oz fiction and keeping up with the Digest, though I enjoy doing research as well. Main MOPPeTs about Oz: That Oz is on a parallel earth, that the anti-aging enchantment didn't take effect until Ozma's accession, that not all animals in Oz can speak, that the FF authors got their information from informants and are therefore not inerrant...lots of others, as far as that goes; if there's a question about Oz, I probably have an opinion on it. ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 12:39:32 -0500 From: DavidXOE@aol.com Subject: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 This one should take a while to answer - and I think I'll do my poll answers in a separate E-mail at that! Eric: I thought that picture of you sitting in the rocking chair was very accurate...oh, wait a minute, you meant the one near the end! Yeah, the photo is a very good likeness of the way you looked in July '95; unless you've grown a beard, or gained or lost significant weight, or something of the sort since then it's probably still a good one. If I ever run across that review of QUEEN ANN I'll copy it and E-mail it to you. Tyler: Books of Wonder ordering number: 800-345-6665. Now that you mention it, I remember a reference to "The Oz Spangled Banner" too. Sounds more like Neill than either Thompson or Baum, though. And more like Thompson than Baum, who didn't usually put "Oz" into words or phrases where it doesn't really make sense. Gili: Welcome back! We missed you! I don't think Ozma's eye color is ever described in the FF. In the only detailed physical description of her, when she's first disenchanted in LAND, it says her eyes "sparkled like two diamonds", but I don't think we're meant to infer that they were colorless. (Of course, Baum also compared her lips to tourmalines, which seems unfortunate - tourmalines vary all over the lot in color, anywhere from black to blue, green, or red. One assumes he meant the last, but I'd think garnets might be a better choice - rubies being somewhat trite.) I too love Lehrer's "Irish Song". Although, for the record, it was her brother she weighted down with stones, between doing in her mother and sister; the verse for her father (which is the second overall) goes: One morning in a fit of pique, She drowned her father in the creek. The water tasted bad for a week And we had to make do with gin. And "Sing rickety-tickety-tin" only comes after the first line of each stanza, but the first and last lines are doubled. Thus, the uncompressed version (of the first verse only): About a maid I'll sing a song, Sing rickety-tickety-tin! About a maid I'll sing a song, She didn't have her family long. Not only did she do them wrong, But she did every one of them in, them in, She did every one of them in. Craig: There's a lot of psychologically interesting stuff in YEW - more than any of Baum's other books, I think. Not only Nerle's masochism, but Marvel's transsexuality, the schizophrenia of the High Ki of Twi, King Terribus' deformity and its influence on his character, and probably other things that I don't remember, since I haven't reread it in a couple of years. "Dark" probably depends on how you look at it. Melody: Thanks for the info on the Lost Sea. That's a ways out of my usual path, but it's not unreasonably far for a day trip, so maybe I'll do it sometime. Eric: Pure text doesn't take up much room on a CD - and since that's all essays on Oz, MOPPeTs, and the like would be, I don't think it likely that including them would require excluding anything else. I don't think that including all the theories, MOPPeTs, arguments, and the like that have appeared on the Digest from Day One would take up more than 2-3 megabytes, and CD-ROMs typically hold 600 or more megabytes. I mean, the whole text of the uncut version of GLASS CAT was about 250 Kbytes, and it was nearly as long as the FF books. This implies that all the text of the FF (if permission could be gotten to include the ones not in PD) would take up somewhere around 13-14 Mbytes - which would still leave way over 500 Mbytes for art, or whatever else was to be included. I don't think there's the remotest danger that any CD-ROM this group could put together by the year 2000 would be filled - unless somebody really went to town on video clips, and who has both the time and talent for that? >> There >> are definitely some very fundamental issues that could be included like, >> "Do all HACC books have equal validity, or is the FF the only 'real' Oz?" >Do you think people can't decide for themselves on this, then? Do they >need the Guiding Hand of Ye Olde Digesters to tell them one way or the >other? Or can you allow people to decide for themselves, even though they >may disagree with you? In other words, WHY is this still an issue, and >why are people trying to impose this beyond the Digest? Certainly people can - and will - decide for themselves what they think about things like the HACC. But if they never see the matter discussed, then they don't even know there's something to decide about. Nobody has ever said they were proposing to present an Official History of Oz that they'd expect all other Oz fans to subscribe to. We're talking about MOPPeTs, of which the HACC happens to be one, presented as MOPPeTs to other Oz fans who would probably find them interesting and might find them persuasive. Ken S: It's very common for travel times between the same points to appear to change considerably from book to book. What I found remarkable in your PG chronology (and that I'd never noticed before) is that it apparently changes within the same book. And thanks again for the new chronology installment. David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 09:52:45 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Hanff Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (2 of 2) NAME: Peter E. Hanff DATE OF BIRTH: Jan 23 1944 HOME (With nearest major city if you're somewhere out in the "boonies"): Berkeley, California (directly east of the Golden Gate) PROFESSION: librarian HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED--DEGREE(S) EARNED, ANY POST-GRAD HOURS? ETC.: M.L.S. and one-year plus post grad fellowship in rare-book librarianship at Indiana University AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: 4 or 5 HOW YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ (This probably can't be tabulated, but it's always fun to know.): my father read to me each night from his own Oz books HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ (From a friend? Web page and which one?, etc.): from a query from Dave Hardenbrook OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO (International Wizard of Oz Club, The Royal Club of Oz, etc.): International Wizard of Oz Club PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS): books HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?:BAUM BOOKS? THOMPSON? NEILL? COSGROVE-PAYS? McGRAW? All WHICH NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? (_Yankee..._, _Runaway..._, _Wicked Witch..._, _Forbidden Fountain.._, etc.) All the above HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ: all HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ: all HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? (IWOC, BOW, VANITY, ETC.) IWOC and some of the BOW and Vanity (say 12 in all) ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ BOOKS, RESEARCH, ETC.) continually working on Oz and Baum-related bibliography MAIN OZZY AREA OF CONCENTRATION (Again, this--and the next question-- won't be tabulated, but should prove interesting.) WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN MOPPeTS ABOUT OZ? (Mine is that Glinda's function is essentially to help and/or protect Ozma. Also, The Americans in Oz are there for a purpose: they are needed...probably to fulfill a prophecy.): I am convinced that there are many historic threads alluded to in The Wonderful Wizard of Oz that would reveal a great deal about the early history and development of the land we call Oz. NOTE: Please E-mail responses to me so they can be printed in the Digest... -- Dave Peter Hanff ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 10:19:21 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Gjovaag Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (1 of 2) I think I've finally found that elusive Oz national anthem. In "Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz," page 218, the National air is called "The Oz Spnagled Banner." > From: Tyler Jones <104707.656@compuserve.com> > Subject: Oz > > Bob Spark: > Dave already mentioned Books of Wonder. Could someone post their 800 number > again? I've been persuing digests for the past few months, and can't find > it. It is in my FAQ and on my web page. (BTW, Peter Glassman, when is Books of Wonder going online with its own website? That's something I'd very much like to see.) > From: CrNoble@aol.com > Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-01-96 > > Finally, I just checked out Eric Gjovaag's web page for the first time. > (I used my office computer b/c, alas my home computer doesn't have enough > RAM to run AOL's web browser.) I printed the whole thing out -- I love it! > I'm especially pleased to see the Baum bibliography, including pseudonymous > works. I also had no idea about IWOC's latest publications, such as "The > Wicked Witch of Oz," or the new book planned for 2000. I ache to serve and inform. My goal with the web page is to be as thorough, informative, and balanced as I can. Yeah, too much about the movie in it, but I get too many dumb questions about the movie, since that's what most people know. The MGM movie pages are the ones that get the most hits . > From: Dave Hardenbrook > Subject: Ozzy Things > > >I suggested nothing of the sort. I suggested that all that stuff should > >be a lower priority than the FF, works by Baum, et. al... > > Well okay, I misuderstood...But you DID say that you thought it should > have priority just a tier above Nixon's "Checkers" speech Okay, so I exaggerated... It's not like others on this lsit haven't done that before... > > Question is, what > >is the audience this CD-ROM will reach? Is it aimed at Oz fans in > >general (and those who may not have the vast knowledge, expertise, or > >contacts we do)? Or is it "The Ozzy Digest CD-ROM," just for us? > > Well, I'm assuming that the average Oz fan might be interested in the kind > of debates/research are going on in the Oz community, but perhaps I'm > mistaken... Look at the subscribers to the Digest. How many people subscribe? Now, how many of them actually CONTRIBUTE to those debates? Every once in a while, when I mention that it's going overboard, I get letters of support, agreeing with me. (Why those posters don't say the same thing publicly in the Digest I'll never know...) So yes, you are mistaken, and many Oz fans aren't interested. > I don't want us on the Digest to TELL anyone anything (except factual things > like "Thompson wrote Oz books between 1920 and 1939")...If we include > debatable issues, I want them to be presented as MOPPeTs (an acronym that > we are all grateful to you for, BTW), and let the reader decide for himself > if he agree or disagrees. Fine. But let's present the material that brought around those MOPPeTs FIRST, so that people can also form their OWN MOPPeTs. > As I said, I was aware of my own egocentricity (that part of me that > wants to "advertise" my own Oz writings at every opportunity)... And that egocentricity is something we ALL need to keep in check. Nobody wants to be around anyone else who's overdosed on Vitamin I. > >> ( Dave ducks while Eric and other FF-purists > >> fling the Wicked Witch of the West's fireballs at him... :) :) ) > > > >Dave, I am VERY, VERY angry at this... > > I think this goes back to what has been pointed out before on the Digest: > That the very impersonal-ness of the Internet makes it very easy to offend > people even if we only mean it as a "joke". We all need to practice more > tact... Don't I know it! I've been on both ends of the problem here now... > Okay, I get what you're saying, and apologize for chiding you for merely > wanting to recognize the "Canonical" status of the FF over non-FF works... > If it's all right, I like to put your comments in the Digest file > containing everyone's MOPPeT's so that we are all aware of your > position and don't misrepresent your views again. egocentric to think that my opinion is any more valid or valued than anyone else's here. When people ignore, belittle, or misrepresent my opinion (or anyone else's, for that matter), THAT'S when I get angry. > >(What *I* find especially irritating is when people use > >unpublished manuscripts to justify some theory or idea. How can ANYONE > >else access the material, read it, and form their own conclusion?) > > I recognize this is a crime I'm *very* guilty of But not the only one, I might add. > ...Maybe someday I'll grow up...Even > though I *try* to do better I still sometimes forget that Oz belongs > to *everyone* and act like Baum left Oz to me in his will. :) Well, it's not like I haven't acted the same way myself at times . Everyone, repeat after me (to yourself, don't bother writing it in the Digest or sending it in a reply to Dave): OZ BELONGS TO EVERYONE! (Now if only everyone NOT on the Digest who gets all high and mighty and propietary about Oz can learn it...) > I *DO* most emphatically apologize... Thank you. > ...and I think you finally got your point > of view through my Emerald-coated cranium... :) Now, if only every other emerald-skulled Oz fan could learn as well... ### Visit my "Wizard of Oz" web site! http://www.eskimo.com/~tiktok/ ### ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 10:36:44 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Gjovaag Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (2 of 2) > From: Robin Olderman > Subject: Poll-DAVE, PLEASE READ FIRST AND ADD STUFF IF I FORGOT I Okay... > NAME: Eric Paul Gjovaag > > DATE OF BIRTH: January 21, 1966 > > HOME (With nearest major city if you're somewhere out in the "boonies"): Redmond, WA, just outside of Seattle > PROFESSION: Teacher > > HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED Bachelor of Arts in Education. (Need to get serious on my Masters soon...) > AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: Eight > > HOW YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ (This probably can't be tabulated, but it's always > fun to know.): Third grade teacher was a fan, read us "The Wizard of Oz," then let me read some of her other books. The rest, as they say, is history... > HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ (From a friend? Web page and which > one?, etc.): Dave asked me for my mailing list of Oz fans I'd discovered on the Internet, and sent out a mass mailing to them all inviting them to be a part of this. (So yes, I guess you can blame this all on me, in part...) > OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO (International Wizard of Oz Club, The Royal > Club of Oz, etc.): IWOC, RCOO, The Oogaboos, The Ozzy Digest . > PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS): Books! > HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?:BAUM BOOKS? THOMPSON? NEILL? > COSGROVE-PAYS? McGRAW? ALL of them! > WHICH NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? (_Yankee..._, _Runaway..._, _Wicked > Witch..._, _Forbidden Fountain.._, etc.) Er, this seems to be the same as the question below, but if you're asking what I think you're asking here, I've read "Visitors," "TheWoggle-Bug Book," "The Third Book of Oz," "The Little Wizard Stories," "Yankee," "Enchanted Island," "Runaway," "A Murder in Oz," "Wicked Witch," "Forbidden Fountain," and "Ozmapolitan." > HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ: About 40, including many pseudonymous works (and one "Mary Louise" book in my to-read pile) > HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ: One ("Curious Cruise of Captain Santa"), plus various short stories, poems, essays, etc. > HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? (IWOC, BOW, > VANITY, ETC.) Dave's going to have enough problems as it is without me adding this ENTIRE list. Suffice it to say I've read ALL the books from IWOC, BEOO (except one -- anybody have "Mr. Flint in Oz" for sale?), ECP, and any other Oz or Oz-related books I've been able to get my hands on. > ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ BOOKS, > RESEARCH, ETC.) FIANLLY inventorying my collection (partly for insurance purposes, partly for my own benefit, partly because I'm curious), updating my FAQ and upgrading my web page > WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN MOPPeTS ABOUT OZ? (Mine is that Glinda's function is > essentially to help and/or protect Ozma. Also, The Americans in Oz are > there for a purpose: they are needed...probably to fulfill a prophecy.) That everyone else's MOPPeTs are as equally valid and important as my own . > NOTE: Please E-mail responses to me so they can be printed in the Digest... > -- Dave So you want to make the Digests even longer this year, now, eh, Dave ? --Eric "Remember,Oz is for everybody!" Gjovaag ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 13:39:23 -0300 From: amyjones@MindSpring.COM (Amy Jones) Subject: for Ozzy Digest Perhaps trying to "market" a CD-ROM to the world of Oz fandom is too overwhelming a task to develop (though interesting to dream and plan). Maybe a basic text "archive" of musings, ideas, chronologies, etc. that the Digest has generated, in addition to texts, reviews, etc., that have been mentioned (which would include Oz books of all sorts) could be found on an "Ozzy Digest CD." It just might be a reality. Of course, I don't have a CD-ROM drive.... And a holiday story: I put figurines of the Scarecrow, Cowardly Lion, and the Tim Man (lovely Christmas presents) in my mother's nativity scene. She did not notice them until today when she was dismantling it. (They are the same size as the Wise Men, etc.) She did not agree with my "theological justification" of their inclusion in her display, but she was amused. Amy Jones ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 13:43:04 -0500 From: Michael Turniansky Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (2 of 2) References: <01IDQ3EJ95828ZGSVH@delphi.com> Dave L. Hardenbrook wrote: > > > POLL: > > NAME: Mike "Shaggy Man" Turniansky > > DATE OF BIRTH: 8/7/62 > > HOME (With nearest major city if you're somewhere out in the "boonies"): Pikesville, MD, within spittin' distance of "Bawlmer" > > PROFESSION: Computer Progammer > > HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED--DEGREE(S) EARNED, ANY POST-GRAD HOURS? ETC. B.S., Computer Science > > AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: Early...5? 8? > > HOW YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ (This probably can't be tabulated, but it's always > fun to know.): > MGM movie first (TV), followed by my brother's copies of LAND and OZMA > HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ (From a friend? Web page and which > one?, etc.): Member of Nate Barlow's Ozzian Times, which folded, and e-mail list transposed here. > > OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO (International Wizard of Oz Club, The Royal > Club of Oz, etc.): My son belongs to Royal Club > > PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS): Both (Although I consider the books to be canonical) > > HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?:BAUM BOOKS? THOMPSON? NEILL? > COSGROVE-PAYS? McGRAW? Hmmmm...I have read all the Baums, and about 10 or 12 Thompsons. > > WHICH NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? (_Yankee..._, _Runaway..._, _Wicked > Witch..._, _Forbidden Fountain.._, etc.) > By FF authors, I presume you mean? None. > HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ: 0 > > HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ: 0 > > HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? (IWOC, BOW, > VANITY, ETC.) > All five Shanower graphic novels & Oz/Wonderland War trilogy. > ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ BOOKS, > RESEARCH, ETC.) Trying to get my son more interested in the books, and sending in his creative output to Royal Club. > > MAIN OZZY AREA OF CONCENTRATION (Again, this--and the next > question-- won't be tabulated, but should > prove interesting.) None. > > WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN MOPPeTS ABOUT OZ? (Mine is that Glinda's function is > essentially to help and/or protect Ozma. Also, The Americans in Oz are > there for a purpose: they are needed...probably to fulfill a prophecy.) None in particular. ---- Scott Olsen writes: > > And to those of you who think the commercialism of Christmas is a recent > phenomenon--note the date (November 12th, 1920!) of the Gimbel department > store ad in the recent Bugle for "Santa's Cave of Oz" (whatever that > is--sounds kind of frightening to me...) Note that it's 1 1/2 weeks before > Thanksgiving! > I don't know 'zactly how far back it goes, but obviously it reached enough magnitude to have FDR move T-day from the last Thursday in November to the fourth Thursday to give merchants a longer Xmas buying season in "short years" --Mike "Shaggy Man" Turniansky ====================================================================== ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, JANUARY 3, 1997 (Part 2 of 2) *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:36:57 -0800 From: Kevin Holmes Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (2 of 2) (POLL) > POLL: > NAME: Kevin Holmes > > DATE OF BIRTH: 5/21/83 > > HOME (With nearest major city if you're somewhere out in the "boonies"): San Francisco > > PROFESSION: Student > > AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: 7 > > HOW YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ (This probably can't be tabulated, but it's always fun to know.): Read _Land_ at school, then decided to read all the Baum 14 > > HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ (From a friend? Web page and which one?, etc.): Searched Yahoo!, found Dave's web page and signed up! > > OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO (International Wizard of Oz Club, The Royal Club of Oz, etc.): Royal Club of Oz > > PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS): Books > > HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?:BAUM BOOKS? THOMPSON? NEILL? COSGROVE-PAYS? McGRAW? Just the Baum 14 > > WHICH NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? (_Yankee..._, _Runaway..._, _Wicked Witch..._, _Forbidden Fountain.._, etc.) 0 > > HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ: 1 > > HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ: 0 > > HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? (IWOC, BOW, > VANITY, ETC.) 0 > > ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ BOOKS, RESEARCH, ETC.) Nope: just read more Oz books > Kevin Holmes ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:50:45 -0800 From: ozbot@ix.netcom.com (ozbot) Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (1 of 2) Ozzy images for web sites: >>How about the picture of Ozma leaning her head on her arms? It would >>make a great interlaced image, so it wouldn't need to take a long >>time to download, either > >Where is this picture from? And in what context on my web page should >I put it? > I believe it is somewhere in EMERALD CITY, but I'm not sure. I think the Gazette or observer or BOW's Collector uses it a lot (I know I've seen it over and over. I suggest putting it above the title of the page, or using a graphics program to design a fancy title. Center Ozma above the title. I like the b&w images, because they don't take too long to download and still look "artsy." I used a lot with my wonderland page. >> As for "mailto" images, any of those pictures around Baum's "To my >> readers" prologues or even those around the copyright symbols? > >Good thinking. I'll take a look.(I just remembered the picture of Tip >reading mail in "Land," that may be perfect.) > Or how about the rabbits from Bunnybury? Danny ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 14:04:30 -0800 From: "Stephen J. Teller" Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (2 of 2) Dave L. Hardenbrook wrote: > POLL: > > Here are the questions in our _Ozzy Digest_ poll. Feel free to answer > directly in the _Digest_, this time, instead of e-mailing me privately. > This way, y'all can see all of each response, instead of only the > condensed version of it. Answer only the questions you feel like answering. > Please, however, answer the questions in sequence. Thanks! > > N.B. Not all of these questions will lend themselves to tabulation. > > NAME: Stephen J. Teller > > DATE OF BIRTH: Feb. 15, 1940 > > HOME (With nearest major city if you're somewhere out in the "boonies"): Pittsburg, Kansas (about 120 miles south of Kansas City, Mo, about 120 miles northeast of Tulsa, OK) > > PROFESSION: College Professor > > HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED--DEGREE(S) EARNED, ANY POST-GRAD HOURS? ETC. PhD in English, specialization Drama (University of Illinois 1969) > > AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: 6 (I suppose. I cannot remember when I didn't know Oz.) > > HOW YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ (This probably can't be tabulated, but it's always > fun to know.): My father had about 20 + Oz books. He read them, I read them. > > HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ (From a friend? Web page and which > one?, etc.): Chris Dulabone told me about it. > > OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO (International Wizard of Oz Club, The Royal > Club of Oz, etc.): International Wizard of Oz Club > > PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS): Books > > HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?:BAUM BOOKS? THOMPSON? NEILL? > COSGROVE-PAYS? McGRAW All > WHICH NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? (_Yankee..._, _Runaway..._, _Wicked > Witch..._, _Forbidden Fountain.._, etc.) All mentioned plus over a hundred more. > > HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ: All the fantasies published under his name. All Laura Bancroft. All AUNT JANE'S NEICES. MARY LOUISE. Both Staunton Schylers, THE LAST EGYPTIAN, TAMAWAKA FOLKS, two BOY FORTUNE HUNTERS + the reprint of SAM STEELE'S ADVENTURES in OZ-STORY Magazine. (NOT: BOOK OF THE HAMBURGS, DECORATING SHOP WINDOWS, the last three BOY FORTUNE HUNTER'S the last four MARY LOUISE. > > HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ: PRINCESS OF COZYTOWN, CURIOUS CRUISE OF CAPTAIN SANTA, KING KOJO. > > HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? (IWOC, BOW, > VANITY, ETC.) Didn't I already answer that (except which ones: All IWOC, BOW, Buckethead, Opium Press, others too numerous to list) > > ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ BOOKS, > RESEARCH, ETC.) Judge for the IWOC Centenniel Book Contest. > > MAIN OZZY AREA OF CONCENTRATION (Again, this--and the next > question-- won't be tabulated, but should > prove interesting.) Everything > > WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN MOPPeTS ABOUT OZ? (Mine is that Glinda's function is > essentially to help and/or protect Ozma. Also, The Americans in Oz are > there for a purpose: they are needed...probably to fulfill a prophecy.) I can't think of any. > > ****************************************** > > NOTE: Please E-mail responses to me so they can be printed in the Digest... > > -- Dave > > ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 13:37:09 -0600 From: Sandy Traylor Subject: RE: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (2 of 2) -----Original Message----- From: Dave L. Hardenbrook [SMTP:DAVEH47@delphi.com] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 1997 3:29 AM Subject: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (2 of 2)POLL: Here are the questions in our _Ozzy Digest_ poll. Feel free to answer = directly in the _Digest_, this time, instead of e-mailing me privately. = This way, y'all can see all of each response, instead of only the = condensed version of it. Answer only the questions you feel like = answering. Please, however, answer the questions in sequence. Thanks! N.B. Not all of these questions will lend themselves to tabulation. NAME: Sandy Traylor DATE OF BIRTH: December 26, 1948 HOME (With nearest major city if you're somewhere out in the "boonies"): = McKinney, TX (north of Dallas) PROFESSION: Secretary HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED-DEGREE(S) EARNED, ANY POST-GRAD = HOURS? ETC. High School AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: 8 HOW YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ (This probably can't be tabulated, but it's = always fun to know.):the movie HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ (From a friend? Web page and = which=20 one?, etc.):Peter Hanff OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO (International Wizard of Oz Club, The = Royal=20 Club of Oz, etc.):International Wizard of Oz Club PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS):both HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?:BAUM BOOKS?4 THOMPSON? = NEILL?=20 COSGROVE-PAYS? McGRAW? WHICH NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? (_Yankee..._, _Runaway..._, _Wicked = Witch..._, _Forbidden Fountain.._, etc.)=20 HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ: HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ: HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? (IWOC, BOW, VANITY, ETC.) ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ BOOKS, RESEARCH, ETC.) MAIN OZZY AREA OF CONCENTRATION (Again, this-and the next=20 question-won't be tabulated, but should prove interesting.) Collectibles WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN MOPPeTS ABOUT OZ? (Mine is that Glinda's function is essentially to help and/or protect Ozma. Also, The Americans in Oz are there for a purpose: they are needed...probably to fulfill a prophecy.) ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 14:25:14 -0600 From: Jim Vander Noot Subject: RE: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (1 of 2) I also found a place with a FE of "Shaggy Man" for $125, but I don't know if that's a good deal. -- Craig Noble If it's a true first printing and in good condition, I'd consider that a good price. Jim Vander Noot ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 14:32:36 -0600 From: Jim Vander Noot Subject: RE: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 (2 of 2) POLL: Here are the questions in our _Ozzy Digest_ poll. Feel free to answer=20 directly in the _Digest_, this time, instead of e-mailing me privately. = This way, y'all can see all of each response, instead of only the=20 condensed version of it. Answer only the questions you feel like = answering. Please, however, answer the questions in sequence. Thanks! N.B. Not all of these questions will lend themselves to tabulation. NAME:Jim Vander Noot DATE OF BIRTH:8/14/52 HOME (With nearest major city if you're somewhere out in the = "boonies"):Houston, Tx PROFESSION:Information Technologies HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED--DEGREE(S) EARNED, ANY POST-GRAD = HOURS? ETC.BA + AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ:6-7 HOW YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ (This probably can't be tabulated, but it's = always fun to know.):Read The Wizard HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ (From a friend? Web page and = which=20 one?, etc.): from the rec.arts.books.childrens newsgroup as it was = forming OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO (International Wizard of Oz Club, The = Royal=20 Club of Oz, etc.):IWOC PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS):books HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?:BAUM BOOKS? THOMPSON? = NEILL?=20 COSGROVE-PAYS? McGRAW?All WHICH NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? (_Yankee..._, _Runaway..._, _Wicked Witch..._, _Forbidden Fountain.._, etc.) All the majors =20 HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ:most HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ:King Kojo, maybe a couple others HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? (IWOC, BOW,=20 VANITY, ETC.) all the IWOC, most of the BOW, plus others ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ = BOOKS,=20 RESEARCH, ETC.) All I can handle these days is maintaining the IWOC web = site & answering the resulting mail. MAIN OZZY AREA OF CONCENTRATION (Again, this--and the next=20 question-- won't be tabulated, but should prove interesting.) Arts and crafts? I don't know - I do Oz quilts WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN MOPPeTS ABOUT OZ? (Mine is that Glinda's function is=20 essentially to help and/or protect Ozma. Also, The Americans in Oz are=20 there for a purpose: they are needed...probably to fulfill a prophecy.) Assuming this refers to pet theories, although I like to research = inconsistencies in Oz literature, I'm REALLY put off by attempts to = over-rationalize the explanations. Oz needs to remain fun and exciting. = And inconsistency is part of the whimsy. ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 16:07:03 -0500 (EST) From: BARRY ESHKOL ADELMAN Subject: Oz survey response Okay, Dave, here are my answers to the survey questions in order. Enjoy: Barry Eshkol Adelman, Slayer of Fruit Flies and Torturer of Frats October 18,1972 Philadelphia (current) therapist for kids with severe behavioral problems less than two years parents reading and the MGM movie my brother I listen to my brother *****BOOKS!!!***** I'm not sure (14, a lot, 1, 1, 0) _Barnstormer_, _Enchanted Apples_, _Green Dolphin_, _Little Wizard_, _Frogman_ _Sea Fairies_, _John Dough_, _Master Key_) none see above reviewing my brother's ideas I'm not sure I have one... Aaron is really an agent of Kaliko ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 13:45:14 -0800 From: Bob Spark Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-02-97 -Answers, Appreciations, etc. David H., Tyler J., Robin O., I appreciate the replies about _Sky Island_. I have ordered a catalogue from Books Of Wonder (800-207-6988--from Eric's Wizard of Oz FAQ's), but haven't received it yet. I live in West Sacramento, CA., just across the (swollen) river from Sacramento, and couldn't find a Boarders in the yellow pages. I'm about a 3 hour drive from Pacific Grove and I am mulling over attending the Winkie conference there later this year. I love the Monterey Bay area and go there often. The 17 Mile Drive, Point Lobos, and the Aquarium are worth a trip from any distance. I sent in an application to the IWOC on the 10th of last month. Haven't heard anything back yet, but expect to shortly. I've just sent them email asking about it. Survey, here goes: Name: Bob Spark DOB: 9/5/40 Home: see above Profession: Retired Technical Manager-Pacific Bell, former pizza parlor owner, former night club bouncer (I see no problem with Craig Livingstone working at the White House :=)), etc. Education: A.A., Much subsequent technical electronic and telephony training Age I discovered OZ: Seems like I've always known it. I was given OZ books starting from my 2nd or 3rd birthday. How I discovered OZ: See above. How I found out about the _Ozzy Digest_: While surfing the web I came across the IWOC web site. I contacted Robin asking about the Winkie Conference and she told me about Dave and his most excellent publication. OZ organizations: IWOC prospective member. Primary Oz interest: The books, and to a lesser degree the movie( although I do have a tape and watch it from time to time). I also have a tape of _Return To Oz_ and probably like it better--hard to tell, the original movie is so much of an institution that I don't believe that comparison is possible. OZ Books read: I have (in no particular order): _The Road To OZ_ _The Land Of OZ_ _The Tin Woodsman Of OZ_ _The Emerald City Of OZ_ _The Patchwork Girl Of OZ_ _Dorothy And The Wizard Of OZ_ _The Magic Of OZ_ _The Wizard Of OZ_ _Tok-Tok Of OZ_ _The Scarecrow Of OZ_ _Glinda Of OZ_ _Ozma Of OZ_ _The Lost Princess Of OZ_ _Rinkitink In OZ_ _The Yellow Knight Of OZ_ (Thompson) _Queen Zixi Of IX_ I'm sure that I have read many others. I can recall as a kid reading all that my local (Roseville, CA) library had on their shclves. Non-FF OZ books: Just ordered _Wicked_ from Amazon.com As far as the rest of the questions, I'm just a newcomer to all this scholarly effort. Give me a while. If everyone's reply is of the same volume that mine is you're going to have some massive _Digests_. Bob Spark ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 18:15:23 -0500 From: DIXNAM@aol.com Subject: Ozzy Digest 1-2-96 (Part 1.) I received the winter '96 issues of the Oz Observer and the Gazette today. Digest member Nate Barlow wrote a fine article describing this past Munchkin con, and Melody Grandy Keller , as the "Meet Member" featured in this issue, described her introduction to Oz and her involvement in it as an author and illustrator. A photo of the very attractive Ms Keller accompanies the article! Gili: Thanks for the bit of "Tomfoolery" with the lyrics to Mr. Lehrer's "Irish Ballad". It took me back to the mid 50's when I was first introduced to his comic genius. Does he still teach at Harvard? BTW, nice job on the Gazette article re: Oz party ideas. It was good to hear Allie's mom's report on her party. Apparently a big success. :) Craig: I can relate to your "rediscovering Oz" enthusiasm. It hit me about six years ago. I'll see you at the '97 Munchkin con! Dick Randolph ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 20:33:31 -0500 (EST) From: swarkala@concentric.net (Sharon Warkala) Subject: Oz poll Dave: Have not been very active in the digest these past months but I had to respond to the poll. NAME: Chris Warkala DOB :6/11/60 Home: Lawrenceville,New Jersey about 5 miles south of Princeton Profession: Construction Manager for a residential builder Education: BA degree in Anthropology from California Univ. of Pennsylvania Age I discovered Oz: 5 How I discovered Oz: I don't remember this but my mom told me she took me to see the movie and at the end I was crying because I would never see the movie again. How wrong I was. Found Out about the digest: It's been so long I don't remember Oz Orginizations: I've been a member of IWOC since 1988 Primary intrest: I started as a "movie person" but have really gotten into the books over the last few years. FF Books Read: All Baum also Gnome King, Giant Horse, and Hidden Valley. Non FF Read: Wicked Non Oz Baum: Sea Fairies and Sky Island Non Oz Thompson: I don't know if this counts but I read the pamphlet for Royal Baking Powder she wrote. Ozzy Projects: None to speak of Main Ozzy area of concentration: I will collect anything having to do with Oz Moppets about Oz:Sorry haven't devised one yet. Chris Warkala ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 21:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Bauman <72172.2631@CompuServe.COM> Subject: New Year's Oz Growls I didn't know Ken Cope had a web page. Could we have a list of Ozish web pages and also in the FAQ.....or has that already been done? Hmmmmm. That makes me wonder, why doesn't IWOC have a web page? Or does it? TYLER - BOW - 1-800-345-6665 is the order number. While we are at it, THE BEST OF OZ - 1-800-593-5566 If you don't like Borders, a really nice independent, Future Fantasy carries BOW books. 415-855-9771 or email is futfan@netcom.com or fax 415-855-9963. They have a web page http://futfan.com/ Ah! Eric The Oz Impurist! Good to have you back. Now don't be a gooeyduck! :) OZ QUESTIONAIRRE NAME: Richard Bauman (aka Bear) DATE OF BIRTH: December 9, 1935 HOME: Palo Alto approximately between San Francisco and San Jose. PROFESSION: Engineer (Semi-retired) HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED--DEGREE(S) EARNED, ANY POST-GRAD HOURS? ETC.: BA, BSEE, 90% MA in math, many other postgrad courses, many subjects. AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: 6 HOW YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: I was given a children's version of WOZ. I still have it. HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ : I can't remember! Sigh. I was on the predeccesor digest. OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO : IWOC since 1979. PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS): Books HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?:BAUM BOOKS? THOMPSON? NEILL? COSGROVE-PAYS? McGRAW? First 21 of the FF. WHICH NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? Barnstormer, Wicked, Was, Glass Cat, Lurline & White Ravens, Dorothy of Oz, HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ: One, "Yew" HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ: None HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? (IWOC, BOW, VANITY, ETC.) 6, see above. ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ BOOKS, RESEARCH, ETC.) No, too many other current projects and work. MAIN OZZY AREA OF CONCENTRATION: Completing the FF. WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN MOPPeTS ABOUT OZ? Too far down on the learning curve to be developing MOPPeTS. Now opinions..... New Years Regards, Bear (:<) ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 21:17:47 -0500 (EST) From: Mark K DeJohn <103330.323@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, Robin's Poll From: Barbara DeJohn In response to the poll: Name- Barbara DeJohn D.of Birth- 11-3-61 Home- Pittsburgh PA Profession- full-time Mom and part-time manager for Discovery Toys Education- B.S.I.E. (Industrial Engineering) Age discovered OZ- movie~5 yrs. books~8yrs How discovered- through the movie How discovered the digest- Through an IWOC mailing Oz organization memberships- IWOC and Royal Club of OZ Primary interest- Books How many of the FF read- All Non-FF OZ books- I have about 30 alot of which are recent from Buckethead. Baum non-Oz- 7 Thompson non-Oz- 2 I am not involved in any research or in writing any books or stories, at least not yet. I do have some Moppets but none that I can recall right now, but I like hearing about others. I am looking forward to hearing about the rest of you. Barbara DeJohn 103330.323@compuserve.com ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 21:56:40 -0500 From: Tyler Jones <104707.656@compuserve.com> Subject: Oz Oz on CD: A very good point was raised yesterday. Specifically, is this CD going to be targeted to the general public or just a few people who are already knowledgeable about Oz? Hopefully, we can cram in enough material to satisfy all camps, especially with the new CD's that they keep promising to invent soon... I was not suggesting that we, through the CD, lay down the law as to which are real Oz books and which are not. I only meant that some discussion and opposing views be put on the CD as a way of presenting all sides of the issue. Letting people decide for themselves is central to my beliefs, but if we keep saying "Let people decide for themselves without all the comment", there will be nothing left to put on the CD. I believe we should publish as much as we can (concentrating on the FF), noting the difference between raw facts, FF material, non-FF material and original thoughts, and THEN let the decisions come. While it is true that most non-FF books are simply no longer available, I would like people to at least know SOMETHING about them, and putting in some notes in the Ozzy CD-ROM is the best way. Dave: I have never thought of you as arrogant (your word, BTW :-)). You simply have passionate beliefs and feelings about Oz and are eager to share them with people in a non-threatening way. Stating your theories is not the same as trying to force people to believe them. --Tyler Jones ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 22:11:35 -0500 From: RMorris306@aol.com Subject: Oz Questionnaire NAME: Richard Morrissey DATE OF BIRTH: January 23, 1954 HOME (With nearest major city if you're somewhere out in the "boonies"): Framingham, MA (20 miles west of Boston) PROFESSION: Circuit designer HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED--DEGREE(S) EARNED, ANY POST-GRAD HOURS? ETC. Law degree AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: 6 HOW YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ (This probably can't be tabulated, but it's always fun to know.): My mother knew I loved books about magic, so she got THE WIZARD OF OZ out of the library. I liked it so much she looked for more, and they quickly became my favorite books...though, since the libraries were shelved by author and she naturally looked under "Baum," I didn't discover any of the others until much, much later. HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ (From a friend? Web page and which one?, etc.): From Michael Turniansky, whose brother (The Shaggy Man's brother?) was my best friend at college. OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO (International Wizard of Oz Club, The Royal Club of Oz, etc.): Just the IWOCC, if my membership hasn't expired... PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS): The books, beyond a doubt. HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?:BAUM BOOKS? THOMPSON? NEILL? COSGROVE-PAYS? McGRAW? All the FF (I read my last one, OJO, about a decade ago). WHICH NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? (_Yankee..._, _Runaway..._, _WickedWitch..._, _Forbidden Fountain.._, etc.) Too many to count...all the above, most of the Books of Wonder books, all the Shanower graphic novels, etc. (Also A BARNSTORMER IN OZ, but none of Laumer's so far, and I'm still looking for WICKED at the library.) HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ: 16 (including WOGGLE-BUG BOOK and VISTORS FROM OZ) HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ: 21 (including YANKEE and ENCHANTED ISLAND) HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? (IWOC, BOW, VANITY, ETC.): See above. ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ BOOKS, RESEARCH, ETC.): I have a couple of ideas for Oz stories and articles, but haven't yet set them down on paper. MAIN OZZY AREA OF CONCENTRATION (Again, this--and the next question-- won't be tabulated, but should prove interesting.) : Researching Oz and talking about the stories and characters. WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN MOPPeTS ABOUT OZ? (Mine is that Glinda's function is essentially to help and/or protect Ozma. Also, The Americans in Oz are there for a purpose: they are needed...probably to fulfill a prophecy.): That the apparent contradictions can be explained with a little work... Rich Morrissey ====================================================================== Date: 02 January, 1997 21:33:36 From: Dave Hardenbrook Subject: Ozzy Things As some have pointed out, the two "NON-FF" questions on the poll appear to be redundant, but as Robin explains in her own resopnse to her poll, the first question regards the non-FF books by FF authors, whereas the second is for all the non-FF books by non-FF authors... I also thought of adding this question: ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE OZZY DIGEST? WHAT DO YOU LIKE/DISLIKE ABOUT IT? HOW DO YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE IMPROVED? And now my own response to the poll... Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 05:57:58 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Olderman Subject: Poll-DAVE, PLEASE READ FIRST AND ADD STUFF IF I FORGOT IT POLL: Here are the questions in our _Ozzy Digest_ poll. Feel free to answer directly in the _Digest_, this time, instead of e-mailing me privately. This way, y'all can see all of each response, instead of only the condensed version of it. Answer only the questions you feel like answering. Please, however, answer the questions in sequence. Thanks! N.B. Not all of these questions will lend themselves to tabulation. NAME: Dave Hardenbrook DATE OF BIRTH: 11/26/67 HOME (With nearest major city if you're somewhere out in the "boonies"): Orange County, CA (South of Los Angeles) PROFESSION: Computer Programmer HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED--DEGREE(S) EARNED...: T.E. :) But most employers in this universe won't recognize Ozzy degrees, so I'm working to earn a B.A. in Programming and possible certification from Microsoft) AGE YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ: Hard for me to remember for sure...I was definitely an Oz fan by age 9 (because I definitely remember my trip with my parents to Big Bear Mountain, during which my dad read me _Sky Island_, but he started reading me the Oz books at least a year or two before that, and I was an instant fan! :) HOW YOU "DISCOVERED" OZ (This probably can't be tabulated, but it's always fun to know.): I loved the movie as a "little shaver", and then my dad read me the books......My dad had a close friend who was a member of the IWOC, and so he knew of the existance Oz books...( Sadly, my dad's friend passed away before I ever had a chance to meet him and have any Ozzy discussions with him. :( ) Anyway, my dad read me the books, each of them several times, and I rapidly became what dinosaurologist Robert Bakker, in regard to childhood passions that never die, calls a "terminal case". :) :) :) HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE _OZZY DIGEST_ (From a friend? Web page and which one?, etc.): I *invented* the _Ozzy Digest_! :) (But I learned about its forerunner, Nate Barlow's _Ozian Times_, from the _Baum Bugle_.) OZ ORGANIZATION(S) YOU BELONG TO: I'm a card-carrying member of the International Wizard of Oz Club and The Royal Club of Oz. PRIMARY OZ INTEREST (MOVIE OR BOOKS): THE BOOKS, THE BOOKS, THE BOOKS!!!!! :) :) :) HOW MANY CANONICAL (FF) OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? Baum: All 14 Thompson: _Royal Book_, _Kabumpo_, _Lost King_, _Giant Horse_, _Silver Princess_, _Handy Mandy_, _Wishing Horse_, _Ozoplaning_. Neil: _Wonder City_ Snow: _Mimics_ McGraw: _Merry-Go_Round_ WHICH ["QUASI-CANONICAL"] OZ BOOKS HAVE YOU READ? _Wicked Witch_, _Little Wizard Stories_, _Ozmopolitan_ HOW MANY BAUM NON-OZ BOOKS READ: _Zixi_, _Sea Fairies_, _Sky Island_, _Mother Goose in Prose_ HOW MANY THOMPSON NON-OZ BOOKS READ: None. HOW MANY NON-FF OZ BOOKS [BY NON-FF AUTHORS] HAVE YOU READ AND WHICH ONES? Buckethead: _Seven Blue Mountains, vol. 1_ (a.k.a. _Disenchanted Princess_), _Colorful Kitten_, _Healing Power_, _Lurline and White Ravens_, _Red Reera the Yookoohoo and the Enchanted Easter Eggs_, BoW/ECP: _How the Wizard Came_, _Glass Cat_, _Masquarade_, _Magic Dishpan_, _Giant Garden_, _Patchwork Bride_ Graphic Novels: _Ice King_, _Forgotten Forest_, _Blue Witch_, _Enchanted Apples_, _Secret Island_, _Oz-Wonderland War_ Other/Unknown: _Queer Visitors_, _Locasta and the Adepts_ ( can I say I've read my *own* work? :) ) ANY CURRENT "OZZY PROJECTS" THAT YOU ARE PURSUING? (WRITING NEW OZ BOOKS, RESEARCH, ETC.): Well, as almost all of you know, I've written my first novel, _Locasta and the Three Adepts of Oz_, and am co-writing my second novel, i.e. the really controversial (and in the minds of some, "evil") one in which Ozma falls in love. I also do a lot of Ozzy drawing, including the illiustrations for _Locasta_ and my collection of Oz paper dolls. Among my projects that I am just embarking on is work on this Ozzy CD-ROM, my Ozzy computer text adventure game, and an Ozzy combination playing cards/chess set, which is based on an idea I saw in a movie on Turner Classic Movies recently (rotten movie, but great idea for a "pop-up" travel chess set whose pieces can also be used as playing cards!). MAIN OZZY AREA OF SPECIAL CONCENTRATION: My Ozzy area of specializtion is "Ozian Underdogs", or Oz characters who I feel have been treated unfairly be the exisiting Oz Canon and elsewhere. My goal is in my own writings to give these long-neglected and/or discriminated against charcters just compensation. The main "Ozian Underdogs" whose honors I am defending are: The Good Witch of the North -- According to the Oz Canon, the GWN ceased to exist in Thompson's _Giant Horse_, but I believe that Melody's "switcheroo"spell (see section 4.4 of the Ozzy Digest FAQ) allows for Locasta (the GWN whom Orin/Tattypoo was disguised as) to reappear and play an influential role in Oz. The Adepts at Sorcery -- In the Oz Canon (and until now, out of it as well), the Adepts appear only near the end of _Glinda_, and have not been heard from since...But as in my Ozzy writings they are my "informants", I have been able to find out much more about them...Including their individual personalities, their areas of magical expertise, and the fact that they are Locasta's granddaughters. Jellia Jamb -- Jellia plays a substantial role in the first two Oz books, and in _Land_ especially she endears herself to the reader as a sassy, mischievious, almost Moliere-ian sort of maid. But in subsequent books she largely disappears, and when she does show up, she is presented, IMHO, as a prudish, two-dimensional neat-freak. But in my writing Jellia is showing her previous spunk and spirit. Ozma -- OZMA???? How can *Ozma* be an "underdog"??? Well, there's no denying that Ozma is frequently (especially in the post-Baum books) depicted as a scatterbrained nincompoop who is about as effective at running Oz as Max Toy was at runnning Commodore-Amiga Computers, Inc. But I expose Ozma as a far more mature and able leader for her people, and in my writings she proves that she can do things for the health and welfare of her people besides throwing a lot of parties. WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN MOPPeTS ABOUT OZ? All my MOPPeTs I've stated before, and they are described in detail in the Ozzy Digest FAQ and/or MOPPETS.TXT in the Ozzy Digest file archive, but I'll hit the high points here: "Switcheroo" Spell: I believe that Melody's "switcheroo" spell that Mombi uses to switch Ozma and Tip's bodies was also performed on Locasta and Orin, so that the Good Witch of the North is still a separate, distinct person (just as Melody reveals that Tip is). The "Magic of Everything": I believe that there is a fundamental set of incantations that lie at the root of all others. The "Magic of Everything" describes the inner workings of Magic, and how Magic can be reconciled with the Laws of Physics (which I speculate to be by and large indentical in the Ozzy universe and in ours). Oz's Location: I believe Oz exists in the same universe as that in which my Sci-Fi writings take place...It is a universe almost identical to our own, except that a "gravity well" wormhole links our galaxy to a "mini-bubble" of space-time in which Oz and other magical lands exist. "Baumgea": This is my name for the continent that the Oz Canon calls the "Continent of Imagination" -- My rejection of the canonical name is because Oz is REAL (in the context of the Ozzy Universe, at least), and shouldn't be purporting its own non-existance. "Yes, Prime Minister Ozma!": As I state above, I believe strongly that Ozma is actually a much more intellegent and effective leader than she is generally depicted as in the Oz Canon. Acting as always as my informants in Oz, the Adepts are still investigating the reason for the discrepancy, and as soon as we know, you'll hear it here first! :) Suffice for now to say that Ozma IS a wise and effective ruler, at least in recent years. Whew! Just answering the poll so took it out of me that I'm going to have to wait until tomorrow to reply to the rest of today's Digest... :) -- Dave ====================================================================== ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, JANUARY 4, 1997 *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] [NOTE FROM EDITOR: I decided to take Eric G.'s advice and segregate the poll responses to a "supplementary" Digest edition, so that people who don't want to weed through long poll responses don't have to. This is the main Digest, and the other message I'm sending out now are the poll responses. -- Dave] ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 03:16:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron S. Adelman" Subject: AARON ADELMAN VISITS BUTTONWOOD To: Dave Hardenbrook Reply-to: "Aaron S. Adelman" Organization: The Benevolent Absolute Monarchy of the Antipolitical Martian Empire Greetings, Digesters! I've been visiting Barry for the past few days, so I haven't had much of a chance to respond. As Barry lives in Philadelphia, on a whim I visited the house of Ruth Plumly Thompson (address given in the introduction of _The Silver Princess in Oz_). It turned out to be a nondescript two-story brick house conjoined to a similar building, the only feature worthy of note being the cardboard cutout of the head of some mammal that looked like an antlerless moose in the front door. Proceeding from there, I visited a street named Buttonwood I had noticed on the map in the hopes of finding any similarities to its namesake forest in _The Lost King of Oz_. Unfortunately, by the time I got there, I was too cold for comfort, and not noticing anything unusual other than the Pennsylvania Commerce Authority (or some other similar organization), I went back to Barry's apartment. On to other stuff: 1) Eric and others, concerning my failure to recognize that what I thought was the whole "The Star-Spangled Banner" was just the first verse, . 2) Robin and David, yes, I was referring to Robin Hess dealing with Button-Bright's family in _Christmas in Oz_. Sorry for the confusion. 3) Gili, off the top of my head, I belive that Ozma has violet eyes in _The Mysterious Chronicles of Oz_, though I don't remember any such claim in the FF. Also: I know Biblical Hebrew far better than I know Modern Hebrew, so I didn't think of the -y in Jinnicky being a diminuitive. I doubt it is, though; the Red Jinn certainly is older than the State of Israel, so I wouldn't expect his parents to have been influenced by Modern Hebrew when naming him. ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 11:14:39 -0500 From: Michael Turniansky Subject: Tom Lehrer, More Poll questions, Personal egoboo To: "Dave L. Hardenbrook" References: <01IDRAW2JC6A8Y8MYA@delphi.com> As David Hulan pointed out, Gili was a little inaccurate in her "how to sing the 'Irish Ballad' But it got me thinking. Maybe the Hebrew version is different? _Have_ Tom's songs ever been translated into Hebrew? 'Twould seem a formidable task. Except maybe 'The Elements'... After reading the responses, I thought that maybe an adjunct question to Robin's poll might be "What Oz works have you experienced in other media (e.g., TV, movies, records/tapes/CDs)?" To which my own answer would be: MGM's Wizard of Oz (and "excerpt" tape), The Wiz (movie, soundtrack album to the movie, and working the lights in a synagogue production thereof), Return to Oz, one of the animated movies (I forget which one), 45 of a song from "Scarecrow of Oz" that I can't place right now ("Happy Glow", I think it's called?) Wow! To see my own name as the _answer_ to one of the questions....cool! --Mike "Shaggy Man" Turniansky ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 13:32:24 -0800 From: "Stephen J. Teller" Subject: Digests To: DAVEH47@delphi.com David: I have seen the Shirley Temple BLUEBIRD, and it is not a terrible film, but it is derivitive of the 1939 WIZARD. It begins in black and white, changes to color for the dream sequence, but unlike WOZ remains in color for the ending, which is necessary for the Bluebird of Happiness to be blue. The story is highly sentimental, with the dead grandparents of the children only coming back to life when someone is thinking of them (this suggests that those who have no one to remember them are totally dead) and the unborn children knowing that they will have to change their way of being. Especially Myltyl and Tyltyl yet unborn little sister, who will only live for a short time. The remake with Elizabeth Taylor was the first American/Soviet co-production and was an unqualified disaster. I have never seen it, so have no personal judgments. The 1940 version is an interesting appendix to the 1939 WOZ. IWOC has published an index of the Baum Bugles. It was originally done by the late Fred Otto, and later extended and corrected (the most important change is it revised version gave year and season numbers for the articles instead of just volume and number. Aaron: That's the FIRST stanza of the Star Spangled Banner! Dec 31 Digest: Bob Spark: In the Jerry Tobias Auction there is a first edition SKY ISLAND in dust jacket that they estimate will sell for $3000-5000 (there is also a second edition at $150-200, but who wants seconds). It is also available for BoW in a reprint without the color plates, in both hard and soft cover. Eric: I'll be happy to run a review of QUEEN ANN as soon as Robin sends one to me. There is no prejedice against BoW in my mind. In fact some nameless persons think we review too many of their books too glowingly. Dave: Bill Stillman tells me the Winter BUGLE will probably also be 40 pages. Its ready to go as soon as I get my reviews to him (QUEEN ANN will not be in that issue). Finishing the Star Spangled Banner: "Bless the Power that has made And preserved us a Nation. Then conquer we must For our cause it is just And this be our motto: 'In God is Our Trust!' And the Star Spangled Banner In triumph shall wave, O'er the land of the free, And the home of the brave." (I love the verse of "The Boston Bequine" [From New Faces of 1952?] Boston!/ Land of the Free/Home of the Brave/Home of the Red Sock. . . . ) Danny: Baum is not anti feminine. Most of his protagonists are female. Oz is dominated by females, and Dorthy, Betsey, and Trot are the heroines of most of his Oz books. What the girls of Yew said was that girls in their world had less opportunities for going on adventures than boys did. This was generally true in the medievalized world of fairy tales. The interesting thing is not that Prince Marvel is male, but that the inner truth about him (like the inner truth of Tip) is feminine. Prince Marvel rarely used force to conguer enemies, rather he used his intelligence and some magic to turn them to friends. (BTW the fairy does not become a "mortal man"; she only took on the outward appearance of one. Steve T. ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 12:15:06 -0600 From: Jim Vander Noot Subject: RE: Leo Singer To: 'John Nicholson' Cc: 'Dave Hardenbrook' Hi, John! Good to hear from you. I would think that some of the surviving Munchkins might have some information, however I'm not sure of the best way to contact them. John Fricke, past president of the Oz Club, undoubtedly has some information in conjunction with his research into the MGM movie. I'm passing this along to the Ozzy Digest discussion group in case they know of other sources of information. Sincerely, Jim Vander Noot ---------- From: John Nicholson Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 1996 3:05 PM To: iwoc@neosoft.com Subject: Leo Singer Leo Singer was my grandfather, My Mother Gloria Singer was his daughter,she passed away in 1995. If any one has a source of information on leo and his life please e-mail me, John Nicholson at captjohn@ptialaska.net [Leo Singer ] Singer midgets ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 00:30:51 -0700 (MST) From: Sandy Andrews Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 01-03-97 (2 of 2) I have a question. When we get questions that we really can't answer, would it be OK to send them to the digest? I am thinking especially of the occasional letter about where to buy Oz products. _____________ Sandy Andrews ozma@asu.edu Instruction Support Lab Arizona State University, Tempe AZ Floaters Gallery The Seamonkey Oz Page ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 04:23:57 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Gjovaag Subject: Oz Links (fwd) If anyone knows what Blair is talking about, can you let her know? (She's not a Digester, so you'll have to e-mail her directly.) And while you're at it, let me know so I can put the info in my FAQ. Thanks. --Eric Gjovaag ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 13:16:44 -0600 From: Blair Cohen Miller Subject: Re: Oz Links Hi! I enjoyed your Web page and thought you may be able to help me. I've heard there's an annual Wizard of Oz festival somewhere in Florida. Do you have any knowledge of this or know who I could contact? Thanks for your help. Blair Miller bcmiler@fcnbd.com ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 09:40:56 -0500 From: Scott Piehler Subject: Ozzy Items for sale Hi there! I have the following Ozzy items for sale if anyone is interested. Prices do not include shipping Giant Garden of Oz by Eric Shanower (1993, Emerald City press). Hardcover, sold-out hand signed, hand numbered edition. Book is in perfect condition, never read (I read my softcover instead, Great Story!). Book is #175/375. Note-this is a *regular* book w/ illustration